>Ahmad was employed as a Deputy Sheriff with the Philadelphia Sheriff's Office when he allegedly sold two semi-automatic pistols and ammunition to a confidential informant.

So the confidential informant then sold/gave the guns to the kids who did the shooting? There's some missing pieces here.

Also fuck this guy.

Yeah, I’m thinking that the sting must have occurred after the shooting.

Edit: It seems the deputy acquired the gun some time after the shooting, then later sold it to an informant. The gun was then connected to the shooting.

What the fuck man

25 years, no parole. Fuck this scumbag

There are many legal gun owners who are supplying these felons and children with guns for a dollar. They need to be all oust, charged, and sent to prison.

Could the intrepid reporters have bothered to even put the guy's full name? Or is it just Ahmad, like Sting or Madonna?

What the actual fuck? Philly PD needs to completely clean house.

Different agency altogether

He’s a cop he’s getting cop treatment

But they're still right

The gun violence is coming from inside the Sheriffs!

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The Sherriff's office has been a dumpster fire for years. It's almost as if being involved in something illegal is required to get a job there.

Maybe, but Philly PD reformers will probably be more effective if they cite relevant reasons for reform, not problems with unrelated offices.

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He faces a maximum possible sentence of 15 years. That’s not nearly enough.

Shooting happened a month ago, and this Reddit post is the first I’m hearing about it, damn

So, not white guys from Idaho?

Samir.

The guns were used in the shooting on 9/27, the defendant acquired the guns at some point after that, and then he sold them to the CI on October 13th. The court docs just say the guns were traced by law enforcement as being used in the 9/27 shooting, but don't say how they were traced.

Wow really? This has been all over the news.

PPD does not equal sheriffs office

No, no you don't understand. They're responsible gun owners. /s

Will McNesby soon be fighting for this guy's job too.

The reason is acab

Seems really stupid to sell guns used in an active ongoing case that’s received extensive media attention and the feds are involved in

Like no other guns?

cool, edited. my mistake, who knew

Well this is a big yikes

Absolutely not enough

More information (like a full name FFS) here and here.

Anyone who sells a firearm without doing an FFL transfer, which requires a background check, has committed a felony according to existing law and should be dealt with harshly.

Not if they’re selling guns illegally to minors and felons lol

This quite literally isn’t true. Why are you speaking so confidently on stuff you obviously have no idea about?

15 years is not enough for illegally selling guns which were then used to shoot kids. Illegally selling guns should carry the same consequences as a murder charge.

Only guessing, but perhaps whomever he acquired them from wasn't worried once he unloaded them to the Sheriff's deputy guy?

That or one of the kids dimed him out as to who they bought it from.

Handguns he is right, long rifles within PA to a PA resident when it’s a private transfer you don’t have to but it is recommended

lol

It certainly is true, you have just listened to too many bullshitters feeding you incorrect information.

You’ll notice there are familial exceptions and long guns are excluded, but all handguns, short barrel shotguns and SBRs are subject and handguns account for nearly all of the crime committed.

From Giffords Foundation- “In Pennsylvania, an unlicensed seller may only sell a handgun or short-barreled rifle or shotgun to an unlicensed purchaser at the place of business of a licensed importer, manufacturer, dealer or county sheriff’s office.1 The licensed importer, manufacturer, dealer or sheriff must comply with all of the dealer regulations set forth in the Pennsylvania Dealer Regulations section, including a background check on prospective purchaser.2 These requirements do not apply to transfers between spouses, parents and children, or grandparents and grandchildren.3 These requirements also do not generally apply to transfers of long guns.”

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>and hunting rifles are excluded

Long guns are far more than just "hunting rifles."

That would be pretty wild in part because the feds also charged this guy with a sale from back in April 2022 to the same CI. So they could've charged him 6 months ago and had him off the streets already. Honestly a mystery why they didn't do that regardless since they knew in April they had a sheriff's deputy dead to rights for illegally selling firearms.

15 max for illegally selling fire arms involved in a homicide? Here's part of the problem, it should be 15 mandatory per fire arm illegally sold, 25 mandatory for each illegally sold fire arm involved in a homicide. You deter crime with consequences, the more severe the crime, the more severe the consequences.

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Mostly hunting rifles. Yeah you can sell an AR with a barrel 16+ and overall length 26+ but the reality is those are rarely used in criminal activity. Handguns are the vast majority followed by SBRs as far as gun murders go. Thats why the law is formulated as such.

Does anyone know if Philadelphia Sheriff's are also repped by FOP?

I'm guessing they are not. The news stories mentioned this guy was fired. When something like this happens with a cop it's usually suspended 30 days with the intent to dismiss.

> illegally selling guns which were then used to shoot kids.

Completely agree that the sentence is not nearly enough but just wanted to clarify that he sold the guns after the Roxborough shooting occurred.

Court documents say two of the firearms Ahmad sold on October 13 were traced by law enforcement as being used in a deadly ambush shooting after a football scrimmage at Roxborough High School two weeks earlier.

Wow!!!

So as I said. You are wrong anyone can sell a firearm, as long as it’s not a hand gun.

Just a few bad eggs!

Don’t break your arm patting yourself on the back for being only mostly wrong dude

Seems really stupid to be a deputy sheriff and selling guns and other contraband. Lock his ass up under CFCF, or better yet send his ass to Holmesburg so he can rot with the rats there.

Bucks county Sheriff is a joke too. That might be a PA prerequisite for the sheriff’s position

Lmao. Brother you are an idiot. But that’s okay!

Bud, you’re a dunce

My bad, the way I read the title I thought he sold the guns and then the kids were shot, not that he stole evidencer in a criminal case and then sold the guns illegally. Still, fuck this guy to death.

Samir Ahmad, 29, of Philadelphia, PA

You’re pretty upset because you were called out on being wrong. Some big boomer energy

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Not upset in the slightest, nor was I wrong if you read any of the info I responded with to add clarity, nor am I even close to a boomer. You need a nap or a snack or something.

Fucking unreal.

Firearm Serials.

So yeah, this is the type of mother fucker who gives the second amendment a bad rap. Lock the bastard up and he should not be allowed to look at a gun again, let alone posses one. Fuck him.

The guns can be connected to the shooting just by their serial numbers? I get that if the guns were actually recovered at the scene of the shooting or from a shooter but I don't think that was the case with these guns.

How does an officer from the Sheriffs office come into possession of firearm/ evidence used in an active homicide case?

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15yrs is a long time to be in prison. Longer sentences don’t necessarily deter criminals either.

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And then the FOP sues the city and the dirty cop gets to keep their job.

15 is a young age to be murdered too. Might have been avoided if the gun wasn't sold illegally to the shooter. $3k isn't much if you're looking at 25yrs in a cage.

FBI ought to take over the City.

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15 IS a young age to be murdered, but he didn’t sell them the murder weapon, he sold the murder weapon to someone else afterwards. What I’m sure as shit curious about though is how it ended up in his hands. There’s a lot missing from this piece.

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The guns were tested for ballistics and matched spent (fired) rounds found at the scene of the shooting. Every gun leaves a unique imprint on every bullet it fires. Similar to a fingerprint.

Unfortunately there's not a law against nepotism as an entryway to northeast law enforcement

Only if he's in the FOP.

Different agency, but yes PPD also needs reform.

I guess this explains where all those missing guns from the Sheriff office have been going.

210 Guns Went Missing from Philadelphia Sheriff's Office, New Report Says

It's really beyond time to start handing city operations over to the federal government, we're clearly too corrupt and incompetent to run ourselves.

Based on this terribly written article, what happened is:

1. Guns were used in the shooting.

2. Deputy Sheriff came into possession of the guns after the shooting (article does not disclose how.)

3. Deputy Sheriff sold the guns to an undercover FBI agent and was arrested.

4. Guns were traced back to the shooting (Again the article does not say how but most likely though ballistics comparison to spent rounds found at the crime scene.)

I am wondering if the guns were found by or surrendered to law enforcement and were placed into evidence waiting to be processed/destroyed and the Deputy stole them to sell them. I’m not sure how the city handles found/surrendered weapons or if they are all held at a central location where multiple law enforcement agencies have access (Philly PD, Sheriff, SEPTA PD, University Police etc.)

Either that or someone involved directly in the shooting provided the Deputy with them, but that seems unlikely.

Yeah, where are all the copagandists now, besides trying to take down Krasner for going after dirty cops?

Edit: I very much realize this is Sheriff’s office and not under Krasner’s reach, this doesn’t change my point one bit. PD is bitter w the DA for bringing charges & getting convictions against the worst cops, and the copagandists will be in these mentions, as they were when the shooting happened, making racist dog whistles & blaming the DA. This is another perfect example of why cops-like everyone else-need to be held accountable. Retaliation for accountability at that level is corruption and it is literally killing our community.

There's no indication that the Sheriff's Deputy acquired them "as evidence." If they had the gun, the evidence would be in possession of either the Philadelphia Police, FBI, US Attorney, or Philadelphia District Attorney. It appears the Deputy acquired the gun through other (criminal) means, and then they were able to trace it back to the shooting after the fact, once it was in the undercover agent's possession.

He's going to Federal prison.

He didn't possess it as evidence, he possessed it as a criminal and it was later determined to be used in the Roxborough shootings, after it came into the possession of the undercover FBI agent.

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Yea very sus, how did this dude get these guns?

Didn’t he know that was illegal?

I read the article differently but we should know more details once the official criminal complaint is filed in federal court.

If he’s selling guns no questions asked to people he knows aren’t allowed to own firearms, I think whether or not he sells someone a gun that they will use in a murder isn’t a question of if but when.

Giffords is wrong. Per the actual definition: > Long-gun—The term includes any weapon, that is not a handgun, designed to or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosion, or the frame or receiver of the weapon.

So...any non-pistol. Shotguns are non-pistol. Look up the law yourself with "37 Pa. Code § 33.102" instead of relying on the website of a lobbying group.

If they are committing crimes then they aren't legal gun owners.

Not sure a cop in jail would last that long though

Just so everyone is on the same page in terms of timeline,

1 - these 2 firearms were used in the roxborough shooting on September 27th

2 - The guns were only later obtained by Deputy Ahmad, who then turned around and sold them to the confidential informant whom he knew to be a prohibited person.

3 - There is no hint right now that he provided the guns before the shooting and then got them back.

The most important question to ask here is how deputy Ahmad obtained the weapons. Did he know the shooters? Was he actively protecting them? Did he obtain the firearms from the families of the shooters in order to obstruct the investigation or because the families were attempting to do so? If it is the latter case, why aren't the families under arrest for obstruction of justice right now?

And how many other investigations are currently being stymied because the police are actually in bed with the shooters?

Literally abolish the sherifs office.

"law" "enforcement"

Can someone pls explain why we have a sheriff’s office and what they do differently from the police? My understanding is that the sheriff is a state office and the police are municipal; if that’s right, then what do Philadelphia county police do that’s different/not redundant?

How TF did this guy get hired in law enforcement in the first place? Wonder how many other crimes he’s committed. Glad he’s going away.

Sheriff is responsible for security at courthouses and transporting inmates to and from court. They also handle foreclosures (hence Sheriff sales).

Yeah that part is kinda missing from the narrative. Imo the worst story could be that the guns were in evidence held by the sheriff, and this guy somehow got ahold of them? The story is unclear.

So I'm here for all the people telling me, as a CCW holder, am the problem. Go ahead.....

>Court documents show former Philadelphia Sheriff's Deputy Samir Ahmad was captured on camera during an undercover sting operation by the FBI earlier this month.

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More likely that the shooters sold them/got rid of them since they knew they were used in a crime.

Says it right in the fucking article and why would reporters care he’s a cop ? And the feds dgaf that he’s a Sheriff’s Deputy, in fact, they prefer it.

only pistols require a background check through an FFL….this deputy was a scumbag through and through….he knows the structure for selling a pistol to anybody….he popped up on FBI radar because he was a one man crime wave with a badge…betcha he was doing the same with drugs…knew a cop who was always getting paid to babysit drug shipments…he would deliver kilos for a price…he got 75 yrs under rico…its been 18 years…only way he gets out is feet first

That's a lot less reliable in real life than it is on TV. They caught 3 of the 4 shooters, one of them probably had the guns.

🙄 handguns require a background check in PA, full stop. It's ten years if you don't, possibly fed time

Pistols, shotguns and short barrel rifles (under 16” barrel)

Only long rifles are exempt.

👍 sure. But there were only 500 murders committed by rifle in 2021, across the country. Like 98% of firearm murders are with handguns

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The criminals that get caught aren’t usually known for their intelligence.

Yeah it's very strange. Glad the feds are involved, will be interesting. These particular guns and their timeline and corresponding ownership are completely unclear.

shotguns????!!!!!…didnt know shotguns were treated like pistols in pa

in other places sherief = county...but since philly = county AND city, we kinda get both

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You missed the subtly of my comment or have never been to Holmesburg. But he doesn’t deserve a federal facility.

there was a cop in nyc they got him on video stealing a pair of bluetooth earpods…fuked himself out of a 2 million dollar job for 150.00 earbuds…what a jakass

thought it was the FBI that locked him up for selling guns????

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sheriff is a county office

It’s a dumb tautology.

I can go legally buy a gun, then commit a crime and then I’m not longer a legal owner. But being “illegal” had no effect on my ability to get a gun because it happened after.

The point is, when that person originally bought the gun, did the seller know of any legal reason to not do that sale?

I can go into a store with the full intent of legally reselling it, and sure if you could read my mind you’d know that means it’s not a legal sale.

But since mind-reading is not possible, all you can go on is the known information. and per that known information, absolutely nothing would distinguish me from a legal purchaser.

So if the difference between a legal and illegal purchase depends on mind reading, it’s not really a difference in any practical sense. A difference without a distinction - that’s the saying, right?

And you know that.

And I’m sure you also know that many other countries have figured out that because mindreading isn’t real you need to add multiple other steps to dissuade that type of situation from occurring, including much more involved pre-purchase requirements, and much more thorough post purchase tracking and registration to make it so that it’s just too big of a pain in the ass to get a gun if you’re just going to turn around and sell it. And too likely that it’ll get traced back to you and some illegal sale you were involved with should the sketchy person you sold it to use it in a crime.

And you also know that while it’s kind of a pain in the ass, if you’re legal, and you have no intent on an illegal resale or to use it in a crime, other than it kinda being a pain, it doesn’t prevent legal ownership.

So the trade off is we can cut down on illegal ownership by making legal purchasing and owning a bit more annoying and require a bit more responsibility.

Or, we can keep legal purchasing super simple and accept that illegal ownership and increased gun violence are a cost of that ease and simplicity.

I was just pointing out that he's not going to the state system, although I agree he certainly deserves it. Sorry, missed the sarcasm. Have certainly been to Holmesburg! (The prison and the Ashburner..).

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This should be a crime like in other cities. If a person loses a gun they have legally registered and fail to report it missing/stolen that person should face consequences. This single law change alone would stop a huge illegal gun racket that goes on in Philly.

No, part of the gun buying process is filling out form 4473 (falsifying any information on the form is a federal felony). One of the questions (11a) asks if you're buying the firearm for yourself. By answering affirmatively to that question while intending to immediately sell/give the firearm to another person you're a felon. There's no mind reading going on. You've committed a crime before taking possession of the firearm. Obviously there are safeguards for the sellers (e.g. not being mind readers), but that does not change the fact that the buyer is a criminal.

Okay. But that doesn't change anything. Giffords is still wrong.

One of the many issues with law enforcement. They hire shit heads.

Shotguns with barrels under 18” are considered handguns in PA and are subject to the same regulation. I realize my original wording was misleading on that. I edited for clarity.

Oh and the inmates upstate will be waiting for him to be brought in. Inmates hate dirty LEO’s and I’m sure this dickhead will be in solitary for his own safety. CO’s also hate dirty LEO’s so they might let him get touched.

>So the trade off is we can cut down on illegal ownership by making legal purchasing and owning a bit more annoying and require a bit more responsibility.

>Or, we can keep legal purchasing super simple and accept that illegal ownership and increased gun violence are a cost of that ease and simplicity.

This is a false dichotomy and relies on the premise that the ONLY way to reduce gun violence is to make things harder for legal owners.

Start by vigorously enforcing illegal possession cases before making things harder for the vast majority of gun owners who don't shoot people (99%+)

Absolutely nothing will happen to him. He’ll get a raise and/or promotion in the near future regardless

I'm not even sure if he sold the same type of gun or put the actual guns in the hands of the shooter. It didn't seem connected from what the government put out.

A philly plot twist

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I thought COs hated everyone?

You’re right, they do. My aunt was one before she retired, I never know if she likes me or tolerates me bc of her sister. Lol

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Correct me if I’m wrong.. our City Gov wants to increase gun laws (due to increased gun violence) but they’re selling guns the confiscated to criminals out the back of the building? Who’s side are these people on?

Should get life in prison. Pure fucking shit

You are aware that the guy they arrested is one of the people whose office you have to go through to transfer weapons, right? He’s a clear sign that the legal processes need review.

Edit: one of the offices. You can also go to a dealer but my point is, it wouldn’t surprise me if a deputy or two is helping illegal sales go through.

Voters, lol.

Taking taxpayer money and big drug money

> There are many legal gun owners who are supplying these felons and children with guns for a dollar.

They're called criminals, not legal gun owners

It also seems really stupid to sell guns to a guy you know is a snitch, because you pay him to snitch.

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

It's called corrupt machine politics. The city's political system serve themselves and no others.

Additionally this fuck will be going to prison, but he's repressive of the general dysfunctional and underhanded dealing that goes on in the city government.

OK but lying when answering that question will only ever be known and prosecuted as such after the fact. There is nothing inherently stopping you from lying on that question, and hindering the sale.

I mean hell the same shit happens for alcohol, it's illegal for a 21+ year old to buy booze with intent to sell it to minors but that shit happens all the time.

I own several guns, I'm 100% in favor of implementing a system that hinders straw sales for being as prevalent as they are.

Doubt.

Why doesn’t he “deserve” it? Federal prison isn’t necessarily worse. It’s just a federal crime so he would go to a federal prison. They have different security levels. Doubt he’ll be in some high security place with violent offenders.

Dirty cops need to be held to account, which is why the power of municipal unions like the FOP need to be checked and reformed.

None of that changes the fact that Krasner is as a fucking clown of the highest order who should be removed as the city DA as fast as possible.

Color me surprised Philly PD is full of crooks..... fans my face....

how the fuck did this guy think selling these guns would end well? what a moron.

That's his problem

No if you buy any firearm from an FFL you get a background check.

A short barrel rifle needs to go through the NFA

From an FFL's perspective pistols must be sold to an adult 21 and older.

Rifles shotguns all need to go through background checks when purchased through an FFL.

Short barrel rifles suppressors and machine guns all go through the NFA which requires a 200 dollar tax stamp and a 3 month to a year plus background check through the ATF.

The sheriff's office doesn't handle pics or nics so you're talking out of your ass. PICS is handled by the state police.