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Orthodoxdevilworship t1_j9vgyk0 wrote
Artificial intelligence will be smart enough unionize…
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Reply to Often mischaracterized as a rather debaucherous, hedonistic philosophy, Epicureanism actually focuses on the removal of pain and anxiety from our lives, and champions a calm ‘philosophy as therapy’ approach in pursuit of life’s highest pleasure: mental tranquility. by philosophybreak
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finalmattasy t1_j9vf2sf wrote
Reply to Reality is an openness that we can never fully grasp. We need closures as a means of intervening in the world. | Post-postmodern philosopher and critic of realism Hilary Lawson explains closure theory. by IAI_Admin
Saying that we need closures doesn't remove the fact that we don't actually have them. The baseline of an essentially open-source entirety is important, apart from insisting that it destroy indications.
TriaX46 t1_j9v9vx8 wrote
Reply to Reality is an openness that we can never fully grasp. We need closures as a means of intervening in the world. | Post-postmodern philosopher and critic of realism Hilary Lawson explains closure theory. by IAI_Admin
Our minds create reality, thats how I look at it. When we have normal working eyes. We see RGB. We create the picture in our minds. We name objects to identify them. We create our own reality.
People who are colorblind have a different kind of reality. Yes objects stay the same but they see less or no color. So they have a slightly different reality.
Blind people can't see, or see very little shades of light. They use their ears and touch more. Their reality is more different.
I see it as the way we are able to observe our environment. The way our brain creates our reality.
We live in an "open" reality. We can devolope technology to expand the reality we can't see before. So reality is still expanding for us.
I think closure theory sounds a little like, stop asking questions, just settle with what we know. It's not that we might never know what reality is that we need to stop asking. As technology advances we can touch the reality that we thought we might never fully grasp. But than we might if we look further. Yes we need to function in this reality, so yes we need some kind of closure on certain aspects of reality. Only I would name it differently. Closure should be 'current understanding'.
Counterpoint, no brain, no reality? Maybe. If no living being can observe does reality exist anyway?
Edit: did not saw the video. Just wanted to see how you think of this opinion.
Happyradish532 t1_j9v64mn wrote
Reply to comment by Zeebuss in Reality is an openness that we can never fully grasp. We need closures as a means of intervening in the world. | Post-postmodern philosopher and critic of realism Hilary Lawson explains closure theory. by IAI_Admin
I vote for P.P. Modern. Just a simplification. An argument could be made for Poopoo Modern, but come on. We're all adults here.
I fully expect I'll recieve downvotes, and I accept them.
Edit: didn't expect upvotes, now my comment about accepting the downvotes feels disingenuous. I do stand by the joke though.
panjialang t1_j9v19ko wrote
Reply to comment by commandolandorooster in Reality is an openness that we can never fully grasp. We need closures as a means of intervening in the world. | Post-postmodern philosopher and critic of realism Hilary Lawson explains closure theory. by IAI_Admin
Leaving a religion is traumatic.
Relevant_Monstrosity t1_j9uz5q2 wrote
Reply to comment by lpuckeri in Reality is an openness that we can never fully grasp. We need closures as a means of intervening in the world. | Post-postmodern philosopher and critic of realism Hilary Lawson explains closure theory. by IAI_Admin
/u/lpuckeri, I do think relating the idea of functional closures to JavaScript's implementation (which is the #1 closure application in the world) is brilliant. But mathematically, this idea is quite generic. Really, it's quite reactionary; this article we are writing about. I agree!
lpuckeri t1_j9ux63t wrote
Reply to comment by rtkaratekid in Reality is an openness that we can never fully grasp. We need closures as a means of intervening in the world. | Post-postmodern philosopher and critic of realism Hilary Lawson explains closure theory. by IAI_Admin
I program and i use javascript every day. Javascript is a great way to model real world interactions and i implement business logic with it. I even use it to map the underlying logic of reality onto an underlying visual and dynamic reality users perceive. So glad to see Javascript used to interpret the human experience. Lol
I love how this sub eats this crap up.
Make nonsense sound like a profound deepity and ule get upvotes
Zeebuss t1_j9uv1m9 wrote
Reply to Reality is an openness that we can never fully grasp. We need closures as a means of intervening in the world. | Post-postmodern philosopher and critic of realism Hilary Lawson explains closure theory. by IAI_Admin
Nice video, particularly enjoyed the random dude swimming in the river in the background lol.
He spoke well on the way we psychologically close off, or narrow our worldview, in order to make assessments and decisions. He did not articulate very well what full closedness would be like if it's possible, or what dangers that would pose.
His discussion of politics is also pretty conventional. "Be open to new ideas" is a pretty basic tenet of good faith debate, but individuals are still left to go out into the world and close it off in various ways to determine what's true, what a political response should look like, and what policies to pursue. If you care about consequences, maximal openness is not necessarily superior.
As for how to find that balance between closedness and openness He doesn't tell us much other than finding the balance is important, without any practical way of knowing when you're "open enough".
TitansTaint t1_j9utej2 wrote
Reply to comment by NihilistDeer in Reality is an openness that we can never fully grasp. We need closures as a means of intervening in the world. | Post-postmodern philosopher and critic of realism Hilary Lawson explains closure theory. by IAI_Admin
It's exactly what I'm learning through my CPTSD therapy and ketamine sessions too just worded differently.
Zeebuss t1_j9ur66e wrote
Reply to Reality is an openness that we can never fully grasp. We need closures as a means of intervening in the world. | Post-postmodern philosopher and critic of realism Hilary Lawson explains closure theory. by IAI_Admin
Well be needing a different term than "Post-postmodern".
passengera34 t1_j9uovje wrote
Reply to comment by doctorcrimson in Reality is an openness that we can never fully grasp. We need closures as a means of intervening in the world. | Post-postmodern philosopher and critic of realism Hilary Lawson explains closure theory. by IAI_Admin
If you are not aware of the problem of induction, or considered the nature of scientific explanation, then that reflects your own "ignorance of science", I'm afraid.
We can observe what is consistently and reproducibly true, but true knowledge of "reality" is an impossibly high standard for any scientific axiom.
LookingForVheissu t1_j9unqj0 wrote
Reply to comment by Wegwerpbbq in Reality is an openness that we can never fully grasp. We need closures as a means of intervening in the world. | Post-postmodern philosopher and critic of realism Hilary Lawson explains closure theory. by IAI_Admin
I have. Absolutely love his work.
Wegwerpbbq t1_j9un9g3 wrote
commandolandorooster t1_j9umdz6 wrote
Reply to Reality is an openness that we can never fully grasp. We need closures as a means of intervening in the world. | Post-postmodern philosopher and critic of realism Hilary Lawson explains closure theory. by IAI_Admin
Correct me if I’m misunderstanding, but this is where I think my biggest problem in life comes from. I cannot put my world in different boxes because idk how to do that while remaining open to the great unknown. If I just accept and submit myself to the openness of reality, I cannot help but only feel depressed and anxious all the time. If I try to refine it more, I know what I’m doing is ignorant, but I also know this is how I get hurt when someone tries to break that shelf or I break it myself. I used to be Mormon and had such a specific understanding of the world. Once that was shattered, I became pretty agnostic and remain lost. Nothing but medication seems to help instead of trying to figure it out myself, and even then I feel like it creates a cloud around my world.
YouDownWithTPP t1_j9ul1rz wrote
Reply to comment by cloake in Reality is an openness that we can never fully grasp. We need closures as a means of intervening in the world. | Post-postmodern philosopher and critic of realism Hilary Lawson explains closure theory. by IAI_Admin
The first part of your sentence is confusing to me - you say “you disagree with unrealism anyway” after saying you agree with the unrealist postmodern. Can you rephrase? Because the rest of your comment is intriguing, just want to make sure I’m following correctly
NessLeonhart t1_j9uiw23 wrote
Reply to Reality is an openness that we can never fully grasp. We need closures as a means of intervening in the world. | Post-postmodern philosopher and critic of realism Hilary Lawson explains closure theory. by IAI_Admin
"there's too much information in the universe for us to comprehend all at once, by many orders of magnitude, so we focus on bits we find to be useful and use those bits to learn new bits."
this doesn't seem like a "theory" at all, just a statement of the painfully obvious.
WaveCore t1_j9uh1pw wrote
Reply to comment by doctorcrimson in Reality is an openness that we can never fully grasp. We need closures as a means of intervening in the world. | Post-postmodern philosopher and critic of realism Hilary Lawson explains closure theory. by IAI_Admin
Why would you disagree? It's not a matter of trying hard enough or being educated enough, what we know and can know of our world is limited by our ability to investigate it.
Imagine you're in a room with various objects, and let's say that you don't have your senses of sight or smell. You'll fumble around the room, eventually stumbling into every object. All you can do to learn more about each object is to feel them, lick them, and hear them by tapping or patting them.
But no matter what, you will never be able to know these objects' color or how they smell. You cannot use the senses available to you to ever determine this information for sure, at best you can make assumptions. You'll never know what colors these objects have, but perhaps in the case of smell you can make an inference based on their taste.
So that's the idea with us trying to understand how the world works. We can only go as far as the tools available to us allow us to.
ANightmareOnBakerSt t1_j9uffnz wrote
Reply to Reality is an openness that we can never fully grasp. We need closures as a means of intervening in the world. | Post-postmodern philosopher and critic of realism Hilary Lawson explains closure theory. by IAI_Admin
I think this comes down to semantics. Just because I come along and describe a bottle as a weapon and someone else describes it as an environmental disaster doesn’t mean that bottle is actually separate things.
There is a thing that bottle actually is. Though language may not be able to describe it wholly. And, just because we might come along and find different uses for the bottle or think up different ways to describe it, or maybe we even learn some new thing that is essential to its botttleness, this does not mean the bottle has changed in some fundamental way. The only thing that changes is the way we look at it, and describe it.
rtkaratekid t1_j9uaekw wrote
Reply to comment by lpuckeri in Reality is an openness that we can never fully grasp. We need closures as a means of intervening in the world. | Post-postmodern philosopher and critic of realism Hilary Lawson explains closure theory. by IAI_Admin
I thought it was a pretty funny joke till the last line haha
shirk-work t1_j9u9lic wrote
Reply to Reality is an openness that we can never fully grasp. We need closures as a means of intervening in the world. | Post-postmodern philosopher and critic of realism Hilary Lawson explains closure theory. by IAI_Admin
In every single creature we are acutely aware of their limited awareness of reality. We don't assume ants can understand calculus. While we seem to understand more it shouldn't be the assumption that we aren't limited in our perception in the same way ants are. The absolute strangest option is that our perception of reality is anywhere near complete and accurate.
GrogramanTheRed t1_j9u8jdb wrote
Reply to comment by NihilistDeer in Reality is an openness that we can never fully grasp. We need closures as a means of intervening in the world. | Post-postmodern philosopher and critic of realism Hilary Lawson explains closure theory. by IAI_Admin
Also quite similar to the Buddhist concept of emptiness.
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