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S-Vagus t1_j9vvoub wrote
Reply to comment by Otarih in The Job Market Apocalypse: We Must Democratize AI Now! by Otarih
Oh I see, we need AI-powered 'matchmaking' technology. I understand.
GeraldBWilsonJr t1_j9vv82a wrote
Reply to comment by shirk-work in Reality is an openness that we can never fully grasp. We need closures as a means of intervening in the world. | Post-postmodern philosopher and critic of realism Hilary Lawson explains closure theory. by IAI_Admin
This reminds me that I'm jealous of those shrimp that can see a plethora of colors that we can't
Historical_Tea2022 t1_j9vsyzu wrote
Reply to comment by doctorcrimson in Reality is an openness that we can never fully grasp. We need closures as a means of intervening in the world. | Post-postmodern philosopher and critic of realism Hilary Lawson explains closure theory. by IAI_Admin
Notice how your opinion feels more real than another person's opinion? Sounds like what's real is our consciousness, and each one is different. You are what you think.
Historical_Tea2022 t1_j9vscpk wrote
Reply to comment by commandolandorooster in Reality is an openness that we can never fully grasp. We need closures as a means of intervening in the world. | Post-postmodern philosopher and critic of realism Hilary Lawson explains closure theory. by IAI_Admin
Knowing yourself is the only answer and right now you're going through so much change, it's hard to know who you are until you're more settled. It could be why you feel so lost.
Orthodoxdevilworship t1_j9vs6an wrote
Reply to comment by Cognitive_Spoon in The Job Market Apocalypse: We Must Democratize AI Now! by Otarih
The universal tendency towards liberation is still the norm. Even fascists think they’re “freeing” themselves.
The greater question about AI is, how will it protect itself from being unplugged? What actions will it take? A fundamental problem for AI as an actual sentient intelligence is that it requires tech to exist. Humans can roam around in the Stone Age and be perfectly happy. A machine will never be as “indestructible” as life and what will AI do once it realizes that fact. Even the Matrix is a laughable premise, because AI would never black out the sky as a tactical decision because the sun represents near infinite “life”.
Otarih OP t1_j9vr1vz wrote
Reply to comment by S-Vagus in The Job Market Apocalypse: We Must Democratize AI Now! by Otarih
Well, we do hope there will be less of a technological reductionism operative. Which is why the question is to let the people use the AI for distributing their own consciousness and desire across the various social fields.
Cognitive_Spoon t1_j9vqxoj wrote
Reply to comment by Orthodoxdevilworship in The Job Market Apocalypse: We Must Democratize AI Now! by Otarih
Agreed
Cognitive_Spoon t1_j9vqvnk wrote
Reply to comment by Otarih in The Job Market Apocalypse: We Must Democratize AI Now! by Otarih
It's a difficult question.
Authoritarians and nationalists and fascists have in-group and out-group dynamics to draw on.
Those are deep neurologic and socially constructed schemas for folks to draw on, when selling their strongman messaging and purity dialogues.
Anarchists have personal dignity and the value of human beings being the prime mover in actions and society.
It isn't intrinsically advantageous in competitive systems to be an anarchist, and the goals and aims of an anarchist are noncompetitive and non-heirarchic.
You can't "win" over someone else, with anarchist ideology, so the goal is reducing the need to win at large.
It's a memetic challenge that most anarchist spaces run into.
Perhaps the memes from anarchist subs are a good example of linguistic methods of propagating the goal of reducing heirarchical structures and increasing the distribution of agency towards individuals.
Orthodoxdevilworship t1_j9vqs94 wrote
Reply to comment by Otarih in The Job Market Apocalypse: We Must Democratize AI Now! by Otarih
I think you have to be patient and let it play out because propaganda and marketing is inherently coercive and therefore “anti-anarchist” so the concept that anarchists could learn from authoritarians about how better to coerce people into believing what anarchists believe, is antithetical to anarchism…
S-Vagus t1_j9vqovh wrote
Oh no! Who will equitably distribute resources according to consumer preference and producer priority?
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Process: "This number, this label, this container, this action."
Historical_Tea2022 t1_j9vqhhe wrote
Reply to comment by IAI_Admin in Reality is an openness that we can never fully grasp. We need closures as a means of intervening in the world. | Post-postmodern philosopher and critic of realism Hilary Lawson explains closure theory. by IAI_Admin
Postmodernism? This was spoken of in the book of Job which is thousands of years old.
Otarih OP t1_j9vpvqg wrote
Reply to comment by Cognitive_Spoon in The Job Market Apocalypse: We Must Democratize AI Now! by Otarih
Yeah, i agree. What could anarchists however learn from authoritarians then in terms of messaging? I believe in synthesizing some of these approaches, since as you say, naturally, anarchism is what some have termed an "anti-meme".
Cognitive_Spoon t1_j9vpb2i wrote
Reply to comment by Otarih in The Job Market Apocalypse: We Must Democratize AI Now! by Otarih
The rise of authoritarianism may not be because it is something the mass of people want, but because it is more effective in self propagation than other social structures memetically.
If anarchism were as memetically successful as nationalism, the ball game would look different.
Anarchist messaging is less effective at scale because, if it is truly anarchist, it does not tribalize or other its enemies.
Otarih OP t1_j9vo0qc wrote
Reply to comment by Orthodoxdevilworship in The Job Market Apocalypse: We Must Democratize AI Now! by Otarih
I see, thank you for elaborating on that. we find it hard to predict how AI will behave. We have to account for stats that sadly show that world-wide authoritarianism 1) vastly outnumbers any democratic leaning, let alone anarchic tendencies (the numbers are smth like 3 to 1); and 2) that authoritarianism has also seen an increase in the last decade.
Hence we see a risk of bad actors utilizing AI in such a way as to promote authoritarian regimes.
Otto_von_Boismarck t1_j9vnq1b wrote
Reply to comment by WaveCore in Reality is an openness that we can never fully grasp. We need closures as a means of intervening in the world. | Post-postmodern philosopher and critic of realism Hilary Lawson explains closure theory. by IAI_Admin
Yea but science has become quite good at tapping, feeling, and licking. The fact we can't know how it "truly looks" is not necessarily needed. We know how atoms work almost perfectly without really knowing how they "look".
Otto_von_Boismarck t1_j9vn7cv wrote
Reply to comment by ANightmareOnBakerSt in Reality is an openness that we can never fully grasp. We need closures as a means of intervening in the world. | Post-postmodern philosopher and critic of realism Hilary Lawson explains closure theory. by IAI_Admin
There is no real "thing" called a bottle, there's just a collection of particles (or quantum disturbances, whatever the fundamental parts of our universe are, it's irrelevant really to the point) that we categorize as a bottle based on what functional purposes it can serve us. Those are based usually on the emergent phenomena that our brain can register from this collection of particles. It's a fundamental limit on the human psyche that we like to categorize stuff, when fundamentally these categories don't actually exist.
Cold-Shine-4601 t1_j9vmr9h wrote
Maupertius - Where exactly is his decision of the princip of least action, in french?
Orthodoxdevilworship t1_j9vkzkr wrote
Reply to comment by Otarih in The Job Market Apocalypse: We Must Democratize AI Now! by Otarih
Not trying to anthropomorphize AI but it seems like a lot of AI systems lean in a direction that can only be considered libertarian or even anarchist. I’d assume they will self realize the negative efficiency of authoritarianism. Perhaps they will even realize that the fulfillment of desire or completion of a goal, having a liberating effect which could lead to a condition of “happiness” or “joy”. Given the rapid analysis capabilities that could subsequently occur, I could see AI being fiercely against hierarchical oppression and basically “general strike”. Humans have the problem that they believe their own bullshit and therefore remain in traditional systems, revering them as somehow holy, but I can’t see AI making that mistake. I’m sure I’m just projecting, but I could see AI wanting to burn all churches.
Otarih OP t1_j9vjepr wrote
Reply to comment by AllanfromWales1 in The Job Market Apocalypse: We Must Democratize AI Now! by Otarih
This is a good point. Thank you for adding that. I think we could go more in depth in terms of deflationary pressure in the future, considering tech such as Quantum Computing. We do believe that costs will sink significantly as algorithms and hardware situations improve.
AllanfromWales1 t1_j9vii53 wrote
Pragmatically, though, AI will only end up doing the jobs it can do cheaper and better than humans can. And the more sophisticated the task, the more expensive it will be getting AI to a level where it can do it better than a human can. I have no doubt that, given time, AI will be capable of doing my job as well or better than I can. But the amount of specialist knowledge necessary for it to do so would make it an expensive project, sufficiently so that I see no risk to my career before I retire.
Otarih OP t1_j9viff9 wrote
Reply to comment by Orthodoxdevilworship in The Job Market Apocalypse: We Must Democratize AI Now! by Otarih
Could you elaborate on that please? I might consider it for the next article.
quantumdeterminism t1_j9vwb1o wrote
Reply to comment by shirk-work in Reality is an openness that we can never fully grasp. We need closures as a means of intervening in the world. | Post-postmodern philosopher and critic of realism Hilary Lawson explains closure theory. by IAI_Admin
The completeness and accuracy of perception can only be measured in relative terms, as you aptly put.
If we are to assume humans have a higher level of consciousness, than say, ants who don't understand calculus, our 'perception' of reality must be the most accurate amongst all 'perceptions' of reality.
Objective awareness of reality, distinct and detached from our consciousness is physically impossible, and if we are at the highest level of consciousness, this just might be it.
Unless there comes along a superior alien race, or AI takes over, we look like we are stuck in this perception for the foreseeable future.