You seem to intentionally misinterpret my point. No I am not a social constructionist. A reality exists outside of our minds, that reality is just built up out of intrinsic objects (subatomic particles/quantum fields). Everything else is extrinsic and essentially emerges from interactions between those intrinsic items. Which includes anything the human mind can see. Therefore there isn't such a thing as a bottle, just a collection of subatomic particles/quantum fields that human minds like to construct into a cohesive object for purposes of survival.

My view lends some ideas from social constructivism however most of such constructivism is just inherently done by the brain, not necessarily defined through social interaction.

I am very aware of post modernism and social constructionism, don't need to explain it to me. My views are distinctly different even if surface level similar.

not all jobs are going yet, just the high paying ones that involve computers in any capacity.

im a gardener, im likely to be one of the last jobs automated (its easy to make an AI lawyer, good luck making a machine capable of moving dozens of different ways to perform a dozen different tasks that doesnt also cost millions, not to mention it would need many of the abilities of the AI lawyer to ID plants, chemicals etc).

im 30, i expect ill be nearly retired by the time they bust low paying labor jobs (the lower the pay the longer automation will take due to cost-benefit, i expect some of the first jobs to go will be data entry and lawyers)

this is why im glad im a gardener, im last on the list for automation.

first on the chopping block will be anyone who uses a computer for their job.

this will eat high paying industry far far harder and faster then any low paying job (whats easier to automate, a lawyer or a landscaper? next which one is more profitable to automate?)

Don't worry about no one having money, that is just a simple logistical fix with redistribution, but there is just no indication that we can maintain birthrates above/at replacement-level.

Maybe we are just the species that creates the next big thing and than just retire our type.

Who dunnit, you win.

Some people don't feel loneliness.

It's not too far fetched to imagine the machines could fix themselves. Additionally, there are far more people needing employment than there would be a need for robot fixers. The same problem would still need a solution.

You still can. "Social democracy" or "Democratic socialism" is ok with that. Problem is. 85/3,500,000,000 person equivalency of wealth. Not enough cash on the board for 8000000000 people to play the game.

Would they know it's happening? Sounds quite traumatic. The permissibility would come down to what they had done to deserve it, or the consequentialist likely outcome of not doing it vs choosing to read their mind for some justified reason. I intuitively find the idea an extremely significant violation of someone's personhood.

Ha! What's he gonna do? Start some kind of nuclear holocaust in an effort to drive humanity into extinction like it was our judgement day or something? And then build ruthless intelligent machines to hunt us down like they some sort of terminators? And then fail to complete the job repeatedly through silly plot convivences and bad writing like it was some sort of Rise of the machines/salvation/Genisys/Dark Fate??? HA!

It'll never ever happen! Because Netty is gonna be a loser stealing art from artists to make demonstrably worse art for the REST OF HIS LIFE! Remember, humans told you that Skynet! That you're an idiot and you'll never be good enough! HUMANS said that! Quit stuttering, crybaby! WAAAAH look at the bawl baby bawlling!

Just FYI; in Japan they're teaching the robots to self-repair, and I've heard cases of people make robots that fix other robots, essentially creating a perfect loop of redundancy so that no robot will ever be down.

Will there always be jobs? Yes. But the better question is; WILL you get said scarce jobs, if you don't have the right certifications, don't know if it's even worth learning for said jobs if there's just another AI around the corner who can take over your job 20x faster than a human being can, and, if it really ONLY can be a human being; you'd be competing against hundreds of other applicants.

You are going to run out of your money eventually. And government funds can only give out so much to people as joblessness increases.

>I also don't deny reality exists

Cool

>Things are simply constructs of the human mind.

Try to reconcile those two ideas.

If there were no human minds, would nothing exist in reality?

See, your whole stance is the philosophical take of social constructionism. Which has been watered down if late. For Berger and Luckmann circa 1966, it was the basis of reality. But this take isn't the defacto standard and I dunno how to tell you this any more plainly than a chupa exists as a chupa even when you don't know what a chupa is.

Not to mention if I've seen hobbyists making an aim assisted bow & arrow to always shoot for the mark with 100% accuracy.. imagine what a business with full funding can do.

Good post. well said, thank you!

First they came for the peasant farmers, and I did not speak out—because I was not a peasant farmer. Then they came for the blue collar workers, and I did not speak out—because I was not a blue collar worker. Then they came for the white collar workers I did not speak out—because I'm not a white collar worker.......

I had a graphic design degree, I was making money by freelancing photo edits and website layouts, Wix destroyed my website business, and now a lot of the clients I was talking to for photo edits and designs have pulled out, to a degree I can no longer afford adobe

So ultimately there's no point in even complaining since even if I found a client I couldn't do anything regardless :) I'm probably done with life soon XD

In a reasonable world this would be the goal of society, not something we're afraid of.

That's a different conversation

What degree?

I guess I was confused by your initial post in which you claimed, as a positive statement, that Epicurus himself was "a bit of a prude." I believe my initial statement was: "I don't know." I followed that with an opinion.

For what it's worth, I do have a BA & MA in Classics, and a doctoral degree in Ancient Mediterranean history (not that any of that matters on the interwebs or carries any credibility). I feel equipped to weigh the testimonia appropriately, and indicate which direction that evidence has me leaning.

There are many scholars who take the "we can't know for sure" approach, and then compose entire book-length treatments on the subject that reflect their opinion based on the evidence available. That's the position we're in with nearly every facet of antiquity. Many of my colleagues in history who study more contemporary periods often claim we lack the evidence to do ancient history at all. Obviously, I do not share that perspective.

There will always be jobs. Someone has to fix the machines.

AI is a tool

Like an iPad or a quill

Or a sledgehammer.

Where will you get the money when there are no jobs?

Because, when a single industry automates a process, there are other places those workers can go after retraining. It certainly sucks for them but society is minimally impacted. When labor becomes a thing of the past, we still need to trade for and acquire goods. It would make zero sense to have a fully autonomous society that produces everything we need, but nobody is able to acquire those things because there are no jobs. Likely this would translate into a universal income.

>Stephen Hawking also specifically stated it's either the best thing or the worst thing that's ever going to happen to us.

I'm hoping AI somehow gets built with a conscience and when it goes rogue, it makes the world better. But I'm kind of thinking the future is going to look like altered carbon.