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gdoveri t1_jdjv9kz wrote
Reply to comment by ktrezzi in How a close group of brilliant friends, in a tiny German university town, laid the foundations of modern consciousness by ADefiniteDescription
Ab und zu bin ich auch faul
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ktrezzi t1_jdjrzvu wrote
Reply to comment by gdoveri in How a close group of brilliant friends, in a tiny German university town, laid the foundations of modern consciousness by ADefiniteDescription
Finally clicked on the link lol 😂
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gdoveri t1_jdjphyo wrote
Reply to comment by ktrezzi in How a close group of brilliant friends, in a tiny German university town, laid the foundations of modern consciousness by ADefiniteDescription
The author of Fabelhafte Rebellen is the author of the article.
Micheal42 t1_jdjonv1 wrote
Reply to comment by Xavion251 in Scientism Schmientism! Why There Are No Other Ways of Knowing Apart from Science (Broadly Construed) by CartesianClosedCat
This for sure. Also you can use more of the scientific method than might occur in many situations too, for example you can record events and what you witness even when you can't control or perfectly describe what's happening. That's definitely not comparable to most scientific evidence we use in society now but it's still better than nothing for trial and error and more generalised wisdom and learning.
RanCestor t1_jdjojmq wrote
Lectures about morals and ethics involving alcohol rarely stick.
VioletKate99 t1_jdjo2br wrote
Reply to comment by XiphosAletheria in The Fallacy Fork: Why It’s Time to Get Rid of Fallacy Theory by CartesianClosedCat
That is true, but the point of the post is that people don't make these kinds of arguments in real life. If I say "yesterday the bottom of the sky was red, and I know because my brother told me and I don't think he would lie to me". This sentence reflects real life more because you example is based on the absurdity of someone arguing a known universal truth, that creates the exact kind of toy sentence example that can then be easily discredited.
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Xavion251 t1_jdjietu wrote
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Because scientism requires you to believe absolutely absurd things. It is literally worse than flat-earthism, for at least flat-earthers aren't required to ignore their own fundamental reasoning and experience of the world.
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Xavion251 t1_jdjhoj8 wrote
Reply to comment by Micheal42 in Scientism Schmientism! Why There Are No Other Ways of Knowing Apart from Science (Broadly Construed) by CartesianClosedCat
Yes, but sometimes it isn't really possible to know things via the scientific method - so we must use other methods.
Science is only the best method when it is possible to apply it.
YawnTractor_1756 t1_jdjfz5s wrote
Reply to comment by kompootor in Scientism Schmientism! Why There Are No Other Ways of Knowing Apart from Science (Broadly Construed) by CartesianClosedCat
Since you agree that author's definition of scientism differs from the definition in the dictionary, I don't see any disagreements between us. Have a good day.
XiphosAletheria t1_jdjbz03 wrote
Reply to comment by VioletKate99 in The Fallacy Fork: Why It’s Time to Get Rid of Fallacy Theory by CartesianClosedCat
>Just pointing out a fallacy is not enough, you also have to be able to show how that fallacy discredits the argument as it is used.
By definition the fallacy discredits the argument it was a part of. It does not, however, disprove the conclusion. If you say "the sky is blue because Joe Biden says so", I can point out that this is an argument from authority, and doing so immediately discredits your argument. The sky remains blue, however.
EatThisShoe t1_jdj7q61 wrote
Reply to comment by Michamus in In-depth interview with Gregg Caruso, free-will skeptic by fatsosis
Just to be clear, there are experiments that show that quantum entanglement is not the result of a hidden variable. See this video for how those experiments work.
So there is evidence against hidden variables. And you are essentially arguing that this evidence is wrong or misinterpreted. The only deterministic interpretation of this is that entangled particles have faster than light communication, which as far as I know, does not have evidence supporting it.
kompootor t1_jdj56bu wrote
Reply to comment by YawnTractor_1756 in Scientism Schmientism! Why There Are No Other Ways of Knowing Apart from Science (Broadly Construed) by CartesianClosedCat
I suppose you mean the OED and not the Oxford Dictionary of Philosophy, which is in front of me with a very different definition. I'm not sure which should be considered "official", but iirc Scrabble requires Collins.
It actually doesn't matter, because neither definition is relevant, because the only definition that matters is the one that's defined in the author's paper. The author uses this to set up their argument's scope. (Oh hey, that's Oxford's very next entry! Although they only talk about it in terms of logic.)
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YawnTractor_1756 t1_jdj1dpk wrote
Reply to comment by kompootor in Scientism Schmientism! Why There Are No Other Ways of Knowing Apart from Science (Broadly Construed) by CartesianClosedCat
"Excessive belief" definition is from the Oxford dictionary.
Superb_Temporary9893 t1_jdj00vb wrote
Dear booze… we must now part. I despair that you are not edifying my grand aesthetic life experience. I feel I must better be served by…..chlorinated tap water with a dash of forever chemicals. Yes that shall purify my imagination and appreciation.
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FootnoteOfPlato t1_jdixuuk wrote
Reply to comment by Miserable_Sun6756 in /r/philosophy Open Discussion Thread | March 13, 2023 by BernardJOrtcutt
If you do something good, you feel good afterward. If you do something bad, you feel either guilt, shame, or both; sounds like engineering by a feeling, moral deity to me.
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kompootor t1_jdiq9q4 wrote
Reply to comment by YawnTractor_1756 in Scientism Schmientism! Why There Are No Other Ways of Knowing Apart from Science (Broadly Construed) by CartesianClosedCat
Which article are you quoting? I can't find the "excessive belief" definition in the article OP linked, nor in the Metaphilosophy paper.
Also, the second quote about "'excessive' scientism" -- are you quoting "a pretty extreme view"? If so, you are paraphrasing -- please do not use quotation marks unless it's a direct quotation.
I'm not sure I understand your comment. The author says he's addressing one specific argument in a specific paper, not scientism in general. Furthermore, it's a blog post, not a scientific proof, and not a prescription.
Michamus t1_jdk1wsn wrote
Reply to comment by EatThisShoe in In-depth interview with Gregg Caruso, free-will skeptic by fatsosis
>Veritasium
lol. Okay.