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Gamusino2021 t1_jdumudc wrote

Reply to comment by Misrta in /r/philosophy Open Discussion Thread | March 13, 2023 by BernardJOrtcutt

Mathematical truths are absolute truths, for example, "square root of 2 cant be obtained by dividing 2 natural numbers" that is an absolute truth.

I guess apart from math truths, and the fact that you exist there arent other absolute truths. but there are other truths that even if not absolute, the evidence supporting them is overwhelming.

"why should I have any faith in what I believe?" You shouldn't have faith, you should just follow the evidence wherever it leads, and you should be aware of the evidence that is supporting the things you think are true.

"Haven't you had moments where you thought you knew something but it turned out later to be false?" happens to all of us, one very common is realizing the religion we were indoctrinated into is false, or realizing many political or historical assumptions that many people holds are wrong, also we get dissapointed from some people, all of that is totally normal.

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kushal_141 t1_jdumc2t wrote

Reply to comment by naptiem in Vivek Venkataraman argues that political equality and proto-democracy were the most common form of political organisation in the "state of nature". These ideals preceded modern liberalism & statehood, and are arguably how humans have lived the majority of our evolution. by Ma3Ke4Li3

I would think here "low technology" would mean having no machines to leverage, for example, a tractor can do the work of 20 people with 1 person, in such situations person who is in control of such technology (here tractor) doe not need to depend on other people can can refuse cooperation

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GarrettGSF t1_jduia3y wrote

Reply to comment by Petal_Chatoyance in Vivek Venkataraman argues that political equality and proto-democracy were the most common form of political organisation in the "state of nature". These ideals preceded modern liberalism & statehood, and are arguably how humans have lived the majority of our evolution. by Ma3Ke4Li3

We have all the records of aboriginal people? Of people that did not posses scripture? Where all traditions are transmitted orally from generation to generation. Provably never changed a bit in human history. And even then, it wouldn’t mean that this was an universal truth. What might be the case in modern Australia might be different in other parts of the world because of various factors…

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grimorg80 t1_jduhg3o wrote

Reply to Vivek Venkataraman argues that political equality and proto-democracy were the most common form of political organisation in the "state of nature". These ideals preceded modern liberalism & statehood, and are arguably how humans have lived the majority of our evolution. by Ma3Ke4Li3

In fact, the evolution of human civilization goes hand in hand with the evolution of cooperation. All the way to the current mega-coordinated system we call global economy. What it really is, is billions of people working together to provide everything to everyone, and every sector is dependent on the others.

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Rethious t1_jdubzzb wrote

Reply to Vivek Venkataraman argues that political equality and proto-democracy were the most common form of political organisation in the "state of nature". These ideals preceded modern liberalism & statehood, and are arguably how humans have lived the majority of our evolution. by Ma3Ke4Li3

IIRC most recent anthropological/archaeological evidence regarding early human society is fairly pessimistic. Evidence suggests life was much more Hobbes than Rousseau. ie, an egalitarianism of violence.

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naptiem t1_jdubhom wrote

Reply to comment by fencerman in Vivek Venkataraman argues that political equality and proto-democracy were the most common form of political organisation in the "state of nature". These ideals preceded modern liberalism & statehood, and are arguably how humans have lived the majority of our evolution. by Ma3Ke4Li3

Curious about your thoughts here. By "low technology", are you referring to sticks and stones? Bronze age? "Low" seems relative. Or is it just a perceived "low technology" by the group when they compare to other groups?

Also, can you clarify what you mean by "fairly egalitarian"? Is the historically pervasive belief that some humans can be considered less than others (slavery, child labor, prejudice) part or not part of the "fairly" egalitarian definition?

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Luklear t1_jduar1w wrote

Reply to comment by fitzroy95 in Vivek Venkataraman argues that political equality and proto-democracy were the most common form of political organisation in the "state of nature". These ideals preceded modern liberalism & statehood, and are arguably how humans have lived the majority of our evolution. by Ma3Ke4Li3

At least in some Native Americans or First Nations peoples as we call them in Canada, this was not the case.

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xmorecowbellx t1_jdu5fuk wrote

Reply to Vivek Venkataraman argues that political equality and proto-democracy were the most common form of political organisation in the "state of nature". These ideals preceded modern liberalism & statehood, and are arguably how humans have lived the majority of our evolution. by Ma3Ke4Li3

Kind of makes sense since most of these groups would have been very small, and a small group can teach a rough form of consensus or pseudo-consensus (just family heads or similar) and a lot invested in each other’s viability.

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Throwmedownthewell0 t1_jdu52sw wrote

Reply to comment by Ma3Ke4Li3 in Vivek Venkataraman argues that political equality and proto-democracy were the most common form of political organisation in the "state of nature". These ideals preceded modern liberalism & statehood, and are arguably how humans have lived the majority of our evolution. by Ma3Ke4Li3

Early Socialist authors all basically deduced the same thing, even with their limited anthropology at the time.

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Answer-Altern t1_jdu2y1y wrote

Reply to comment by Petal_Chatoyance in Vivek Venkataraman argues that political equality and proto-democracy were the most common form of political organisation in the "state of nature". These ideals preceded modern liberalism & statehood, and are arguably how humans have lived the majority of our evolution. by Ma3Ke4Li3

You’re talking about one stage earlier where it was all about competition for survival. Civilized societies are the next stage, the result of cooperation

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applejackhero t1_jdu2lia wrote

Reply to comment by fitzroy95 in Vivek Venkataraman argues that political equality and proto-democracy were the most common form of political organisation in the "state of nature". These ideals preceded modern liberalism & statehood, and are arguably how humans have lived the majority of our evolution. by Ma3Ke4Li3

I’m actually pretty sure prehistoric tribal groups were /very loosely/ matriarchal. I can dig up some reading if you want, it basically:

  1. women access to/association with reproduction

  2. physiologically, women women are better suited to hunter-gatherer life styles and tended to live longer, and in a hunter-gather society experience is crucial

I say /very loosely/ because our ideas of matriarchy and patriarchy barely apply

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WrongAspects t1_jdu00r0 wrote

Reply to comment by Rowan-Trees in Scientism Schmientism! Why There Are No Other Ways of Knowing Apart from Science (Broadly Construed) by CartesianClosedCat

The point is to keep those things to an absolute minimum. In effect this means that everything is subject to testing and verification including things like the fundamental laws of logic.

The anti science crowd loves to pounce on hard solipsism or simulation theory to shit on science so they can feel justified in their belief in some form of supernatural or another.

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