Recent comments in /f/philosophy

AConcernedCoder t1_ivioyqj wrote

This is about society and economic systems. At no point did I say "you" although, given I used a term to describe competition which means pejoratively, something unreasonably treated as sacred enough to be unquestionable, your issue with my criticism doesn't seem like it's doing any favors.

You argued competition is part of life and the natural world. I'm not disagreeing, I'm adding that cooperation is a necessity and without it, there's nothing to benefit society, being a state of affairs more like Hobbes' war of all against all.

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ConsciousLiterature t1_ivio7s1 wrote

> Letting 5 people die because you don't want to personally be responsible by throwing the lever is still you being responsible for killing 5 people in the trolley problem.

I don't think you can justify this conclusion.

Today you could have done at least one thing that would stop at least one person from dying. Are you responsible for their death because you didn't give to a charity, or stop eating meat, or failed to take the bus to work?

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visarga t1_ivinkvl wrote

  1. Take a look at neural scaling laws, figures 2 and 3 especially. Experiments show that more data and more compute are better. It's been a thing for a couple of years already, the paper has 260 citations, authored by OpenAI.

  2. If you work with AI you know it always makes mistakes. Just like if you're using Google Search - you know you often have to work around its problems. Checking models not to make mistakes is big business today, called "human in the loop". There is awareness about model failure modes. Not to mention that even generative AIs like Stable Diffusion require lots of prompt massaging to work well.

  3. sure

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fizzburger t1_ivimpd5 wrote

cognitive science - are we doing it right?

has anyone ever looked into how cognitive science is being approached? are we sure we even have the right/complete perspective to come to conclusions? are we sure the people studying it and influencing future tech are approaching it form the right end?

Observation/conclusion are key words here because really cognition is ultimately being used to derive these, so could it be that these experiments are biased/flawed to begin with?

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TheManInTheShack t1_ivim31a wrote

> elevate competition to an extreme and once decently enjoyable (and beneficial) competitions become something else. ..

You keep suggesting I’m elevating competition simply by using it to describe one aspect of life. I’m not. I’m using it as a word because words are how we describe things.

If I describe the sky as being blue, I’m not elevating the word blue. I’m using it to describe the sky. That’s what words are for.

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xstoopkidx t1_ivi4uka wrote

A bit tangential… but I’ve always thought the more data that is collected, the less likely we will be randomly targeted based on said data, but the more likely we might be intentionally targeted for said data. Meaning, if everyone has their SSNs leaked on the internet, you might be less likely to be randomly targeted as that number approaches the US population. However, you might be more likely to be intentionally targeted based on other demographic factors (assets, income, location, etc).

Another example: if Alexa listens to every word that everyone says, it seems to approach meaninglessness. Unless you begin to target particular pieces of information to isolate particular groups. Then it becomes increasingly beneficial. The key importance is to know how to sift through that information as the amount of information is amassed.

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AConcernedCoder t1_ivhv0qv wrote

You know, as useful as it may be to think about extreme hypotheticals like survival strategies among shipwrecked sailors without any food, they aren't descriptive of ideal conditions in society or the economy. Extremes are what we generally want to avoid.

And they're certainly not descriptive of enjoyable past-times, like competitive sports where (hopefully) the competitors don't try to kill each other in the process.

That's my point: elevate competition to an extreme and once decently enjoyable (and beneficial) competitions become something else. ..

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Capital_Net_6438 t1_ivhfzhd wrote

As someone who has a permanent severe mental illness - bipolar disorder - I have a strong view on your first question. 100% of our focus wrt laws on people such as myself should be on improving our lives. (My life is pretty sweet as it happens.) I've met many many people like myself and definitely never met a single one whose life could not be improved through medication, therapy - and you know, love.

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Clean-Inevitable538 t1_ivhfbhw wrote

This answer is a perfect example of what the OG author is talking about. This response does seem to come from a knowledgable person and the response seems well constructed but it does not address the point the author is making. But they are observant enough too state that the authors argument is unclear which in reality means that they did not understand it fully... Which is great at showing how 2 separate theories of Truth work for diferent people. Where the author is probably comming from some sort of relativism, the redditor comes from a theory where truth is objective and so claims not that the OG author's argument is difficult to understand but the argument is unclear, under a premise that they know what constitutes a clear argument. :D

Three takeaways:

  1. The paradox of big data is that the more data we ransack for patterns, the more likely it is that what we find will be worthless or worse.
  2. The real problem today is not that computers are smarter than us, but that we think that computers are smarter than us and trust them to make decisions for us that they should not be trusted to make.
  3. In the age of Big Data and powerful computers, human wisdom, commonsense, and expertise are needed more than ever.
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contractualist OP t1_ivhdg79 wrote

Thanks for the response. I would define the objective as "publicly observable" explainable and even a "shared subjective."

The fact that you are able to articulate your point and I can (try to) understand it , is what I mean by objective. Meanwhile, there are perceptions and experiences that you will have that I could never understand in the same way, no matter how much we were to communicate with one another. Thats the subjective.

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