Interesting. I’m trying to think of a situation where something is neither true nor false, and I am completely drawing a blank.

Are we sure this even exists in nature?

What is not true and not false?

The World is always going to be involved only with itself. The World (the ten-thousand things) can't see anything outside of itself, and probably never will. The Razor's Edge (1984) is an excellent film about exactly this. Worldly people see the movie as a string of tragedies, but what they're really seeing are the results of Worldly attachments. The one unattached person is the only person who becomes enlightened and makes it out. Imho, attempting to teach the attached about wu wei and the pathless path is pointless. The World is only ever going to see the world. In this case, wu wei is probably the way.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-valued_logic

A third option is unknown, though it is often not reachable by humans.

I’m not sure why this is being treated as a novel development when the same kind of thing has been extent in video games for decades. Chatbot ethics are the same question as NPC ethics.

Seems to be on your mind?

Thanks for that article.

That reminds me, not uncommon to see AI go bad after being released into the wild and interacting with real humans and the real world.

https://www.cnet.com/science/meta-trained-an-ai-on-48-million-science-papers-it-was-shut-down-after-two-days/

https://www.electronicspecifier.com/products/artificial-intelligence/facebook-shuts-down-robots-after-they-create-their-own-language

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/microsoft-shuts-down-ai-chatbot-after-it-turned-into-racist-nazi/

Interesting to watch it evolve and to see how they try to solve these problems.

If they weren't so dumb we wouldn't be so mean. I stand by that we all know the tech should be further along than it is, and that's why we're mean.

Oh man, I love this topic. One huge gripe I have about these discussions is they often ignore the fact that the systems create this, not us. Example. If I ask, "Hey Google, what's the temperature?" and she responds, why would I say "thank you?" She doesn't hear it, nor respond, it is literally wasted breath. Chatbots and AI don't respond human like, so we treat them not human. They also don't have any kind of built in error correction like humans do. Dead silence isn't something a human usually responds with, or if it's unsure, a human won't just respond with what it misheard most of the time. If AI/chatbots were better, we wouldn't treat them so poorly. I remembered reading a Wired article in the late 90s about a phone service you could call and ask things of, before Siri, Google, etc. The tech was there, the implementation and development has been garbage. I think every day how those teams should be ashamed of themselves. A big part of new tech is faking it until you make it. There is a lot of stuff that they could just straight code in, to deal with common questions and replies, and they have endless data about requests people make that don't get filled to know what is popular, yet here we are. I just think these companies don't see a big incentive to it, so it's back burnered. We could have top notch AI that communicates well, today, if the market wanted it.

I'm familiar with the dictionary definition, as you can see it's too broad to do any philosophy with, that's why I was asking for the op to clarify.

>"truth" is an expression of assent to a partner's verbally expressed position.

This is giving me flashbacks to a time in my life when magical sequences of assent or dissent were seen as an adequate basis for reward and punishment... especially punishemnt.

Logically, how does that make sense?

Something is either true or false, no?

For example:

> I have a dog.

That has to be true or false. There is no third option. Now, knowing the right answer, that’s up in the air, but not that it has to be either true or false. We know it’s one of those.

Enlighten me as to why I am wrong.

If you are teleported by being duplicated then the original in the first location being destroyed, your local self would die and your new self would continue it's perception. To other people you would be continuing your life but to the original you you would just die. It's like the idea of multiverse (?) where your own perception continues but every moment there is another reality where you die.

It's just two distinct lives that are in no way connected other than that the new one started from a new location with the same memories as you had at the point of being cloned. I don't see it paradoxical at all.

If enough people read and appreciate this post, the karma farming bots will start to annoy people by posting it multiple times a day. People will ironically want to read the post before abusing the bot that posted it.

Being mean to a chatbot is like playing No Russian from Call of Duty: MW2. Of course it's horrific to do in real life, but it's not real life. We can use it to think about and reflect on real world issues, but the game itself is fine.

I can see two things that being mean to chatbots might cause ethical issues. The first is training real people in how they act in relationships. It's been shown that playing video games doesn't morally affect you much in real life, but this is interacting in the same way that we interact with real people. We know that people are meaner over the Internet than in real life. I'd like to measure this in some way before taking a stance on it.

The second is that chat bots are built using existing real-world conversations. Being mean to chatbots means the next generation of chatbots is mean, too. The last time one got exposed to the Internet, we had it praising Hitler within hours. It's not good for the chatbot industry, and ironically sabotaging work others produce sincerely might be considered ethically wrong.

Nihilism is a Poison. If you are not familiar with it, please do not look into it further.

If you can teleport, why would you want or need a clone of yourself? Even if you're completing replicating the same mind and life experiences, once that clone is created you've affectively created another person. That once they begin to live and interact with the world, the things they see and do will be completely separate and isolated from your life experiences, so they then really serve you no purpose of do you any good. You can't teleport back home after your clone has just spent a week with your wife and try to call back into the routine. That entire week that was spent is completely unknown to you and will not be able to speak on or to anything that transpired during that time. Your wife might as well be speaking to a stranger. What would be the purpose in any part of that?

No, we can not.

I think the idea of truth has to regard the possibility of a black swan, thus the idea of probability. So the question should be more like: does the idea of truth exist if basically everything is fallible rather than speculating whether some thing deserves the name tag ”true” on it. So it begs the question; is there even such a concept if we can’t use it in any way.

Why don’t I like this Reddit downvote algorithm in a philosophy group? Because downvoted comes to mean “you shouldn’t have posted that” rather than “you’re technically correct but that’s not the whole point “.

Tell me what you think

Any criticism welcome This general idea is going to be a thesis of an essay I’m writing:

Society or humanity should be considered in an analogy as to a person. I hope that my view of humanity as a “young adult listening to jimmy hendricks, loaded walking down the street, back towards his humble abroad to swift away into slumber and be brazenly awoken the next morning to a seemingly endless hypocrical scenarios in which he requires of himself to act based on inherited notions, conciliatory and unconscious still unproven” is true because if so that means that boy loaded has dreams and intelligence and struggles and triumphs and growth and rapture and sex and money and the immediate need for both and agreement of worthlessness at the same time. It has a search for purpose for it role (career) and it continues everyday to try and configure an understanding of how to move forward. All the while attempting to grasp at the past while barely even acknowledging the Now. We are as us. This opens many windows in the understanding of Us, Me, We and what we and I and Us will be a part of.

Thx

It can't be, my parents died before I was born

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