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chromeVidrio t1_ixa65iw wrote
Reply to comment by iiioiia in On the advantages of believing that nothing is true by Vico1730
Right, then we would know whether it is true or false—not that it must be among those two options, that it is true or it is false. We already know the latter. Only which of the two options is unknown.
iiioiia t1_ixa5tzs wrote
Reply to comment by chromeVidrio in On the advantages of believing that nothing is true by Vico1730
If the state of nullness can be rectified (replaced with an actual value), then it would be possible to resolve the proposition to a non-unknown value - but not until then.
chromeVidrio t1_ixa5e9h wrote
Reply to comment by iiioiia in On the advantages of believing that nothing is true by Vico1730
It literally says:
> Unknown means “true or false, depending on the null values”.
iiioiia t1_ixa42vr wrote
Reply to comment by chromeVidrio in On the advantages of believing that nothing is true by Vico1730
> but if I am following correctly, then null = true or false
The text explicitly states the opposite of that.
"NULL = 1" --> Unknown
> That is, it still has to be true or false, and it cannot be true and false or not true and not false.
Incorrect.
> Meaning, I’m right. We might not know the answer, but it has to be true or false. It can’t be both or neither.
Question: have you ever written any tests in school?
chromeVidrio t1_ixa2n78 wrote
Reply to comment by iiioiia in On the advantages of believing that nothing is true by Vico1730
Yeah, I’m not a programmer, but if I am following correctly, then null = true or false. That is, it still has to be true or false, and it cannot be true and false or not true and not false.
Meaning, I’m right. We might not know the answer, but it has to be true or false. It can’t be both or neither.
> Unknown means “true or false, depending on the null values”.
iiioiia t1_ixa11ka wrote
Reply to comment by chromeVidrio in On the advantages of believing that nothing is true by Vico1730
Ah ok....well, I haven't changed the definition of true and false....set theory as implemented in databases is probably the easiest way to understand it:
https://modern-sql.com/concept/three-valued-logic
> Comparisons to null
>
> The SQL null value basically means “could be anything”. It is therefore impossible to tell whether a comparison to null is true or false. That’s where the third logical value, unknown, comes in. Unknown means “true or false, depending on the null values”.
>
> The result of each of the following comparisons is therefore unknown
>
> NULL = 1
> NULL <> 1
> NULL > 1
> NULL = NULL
>
> Nothing equals null. Not even null equals null because each null could be different.
surle t1_ixa070m wrote
Reply to comment by hughperman in The famous Butterfly Dream of Taoist Philosophy and how it recommends a radical openness to judging right from wrong by CaptainOfTheKeys
I'm just imagining a whole lot of redditors who are actually caterpillars going "you bastard!"
NTGenericus t1_ixa00g5 wrote
Reply to comment by DracoOccisor in The famous Butterfly Dream of Taoist Philosophy and how it recommends a radical openness to judging right from wrong by CaptainOfTheKeys
You're absolutely right. I have consciously blended Daoism and Zen. I have never been a member of a Daoist group. And all I have ever done is read Laozi and Zhuangzi. However, I had quite the mystical experience one day that lasted for more than two years. That came directly from reading Laozi. But, the only explanation I could find for what happened to me came straight out of Zen. Very perceptive on your part. Not too long ago I shifted back toward Daoism, but only the Laozi/Zhuangzi version. I couldn't care less about Internal Alchemy and all that. I studied with a Daoist priest and after two days I left because it was nothing like what I was after. It was then that I started looking at Zen.
chromeVidrio t1_ix9z31r wrote
Reply to comment by captainsalmonpants in On the advantages of believing that nothing is true by Vico1730
Lol, no. We do know that. I either have a dog or I do not have a dog. What other answer could there possibly be?
Think about it:
(1) I have a dog;
(2) I do not have a dog; or
(3) ???.
What possibly could be your third option?
captainsalmonpants t1_ix9yf94 wrote
Reply to comment by chromeVidrio in On the advantages of believing that nothing is true by Vico1730
False, WE do not know that.
Your dog statement cannot be evaluated without context. We can infer that context from a stated purpose, knowledge, or assumptions about one or both, but absent that it's just a set of meaningless symbols or sounds.
chromeVidrio t1_ix9xu8d wrote
Reply to comment by iiioiia in On the advantages of believing that nothing is true by Vico1730
Yeah, but I am not even sure what you mean by that lol.
iiioiia t1_ix9xokv wrote
Reply to comment by chromeVidrio in On the advantages of believing that nothing is true by Vico1730
Did you note this part: "...in which case, a virtual answer may be created and injected into "reality""?
bumharmony t1_ix9wuxc wrote
Reply to comment by Michamus in On the advantages of believing that nothing is true by Vico1730
It simply means going ahead of things. 99% of reddit is this kind or turdy turd.
chromeVidrio t1_ix9w3px wrote
Reply to comment by iiioiia in On the advantages of believing that nothing is true by Vico1730
I’ve been thinking about this, and I think what you’ve essentially done is changed the definition of true and false. That is, equivocation. Under your definition, true ≠ not false and false ≠ not true, leaving room for a third option, which isn’t possible if true = not false and false = not true.
chromeVidrio t1_ix9tuve wrote
Reply to comment by captainsalmonpants in On the advantages of believing that nothing is true by Vico1730
It just means whether it’s true or false is not known, but we still know it has to be one or the other.
Michamus t1_ix9tc1x wrote
Reply to comment by bumharmony in On the advantages of believing that nothing is true by Vico1730
What do you think ‘begs the question’ means?
captainsalmonpants t1_ix9syz6 wrote
Reply to comment by chromeVidrio in On the advantages of believing that nothing is true by Vico1730
And the state of not knowing which is called "indeterminate" which is the result of a vague predicate. How does your logical system handle indeterminacy?
hughperman t1_ix9snam wrote
Reply to comment by JustAPerspective in The famous Butterfly Dream of Taoist Philosophy and how it recommends a radical openness to judging right from wrong by CaptainOfTheKeys
I don't really know what you're saying here?
WhittlingDan t1_ix9s7jf wrote
Reply to comment by latakewoz in The famous Butterfly Dream of Taoist Philosophy and how it recommends a radical openness to judging right from wrong by CaptainOfTheKeys
Elephants have funerals.
chromeVidrio t1_ix9rcp2 wrote
Reply to comment by captainsalmonpants in On the advantages of believing that nothing is true by Vico1730
It doesn’t matter. We still know the right answer can only be one or the other, true or false, albeit we may not know which.
iiioiia t1_ix9qqcn wrote
Reply to comment by Kektuals in The famous Butterfly Dream of Taoist Philosophy and how it recommends a radical openness to judging right from wrong by CaptainOfTheKeys
Do you know (JTB) that zero humans have ever adopted a single belief based on what they've read on Reddit (and if so: can you demonstrate that it is necessarily true, and applies to me personally)?
captainsalmonpants t1_ix9qi7v wrote
Reply to comment by chromeVidrio in On the advantages of believing that nothing is true by Vico1730
But what do we call an unclear statement that produces contradictory results?
Kektuals t1_ix9p3vb wrote
JustAPerspective t1_ix9nnyu wrote
Reply to comment by hughperman in The famous Butterfly Dream of Taoist Philosophy and how it recommends a radical openness to judging right from wrong by CaptainOfTheKeys
Having learned nothing, the invitation was made, and also ignored.
Diabegi t1_ixa6mdx wrote
Reply to comment by JustAPerspective in The famous Butterfly Dream of Taoist Philosophy and how it recommends a radical openness to judging right from wrong by CaptainOfTheKeys
Just say you have nothing decent to respond with and leave it at that