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BernardJOrtcutt t1_iyn48p9 wrote

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BernardJOrtcutt t1_iyn488r wrote

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BernardJOrtcutt t1_iyn3szi wrote

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siskulous t1_iyn393e wrote

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Ugh. This is just a reminder of why I view Nietzsche with such distaste.

Which takes a stronger man: To serve his own self-interest or to willingly make the world a better place knowing that he is doing so at cost to himself? The denial of self in the pursuit of a better world undeniably takes more and stronger will than selfish acts. To call such a thing weak is delusion.

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SungaRosaChoque t1_iyn2u39 wrote

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I believe the author misses Nietzsche's point. "Who is to say who is to say?" Yourself. In Nietzsche's view the individual should rise up against morals created to opress him. Who defines what is opression for each individual? The individual itself. Thus, as we examine a set of collective morals we see that they will mostly favor the "strong" and punish the weak, but in subtle ways. In a way similar to Marx's concept of alienation, where the core moral values of society are produced to justify a social and moral order where a rulling class sits on top of society and a lower class is opressed socially and morally.

Nietzsche views mostly take the questions of morals outside philosophy and put it on a political/power dynamics spectrum. Nietzsche tries to show a way to escape domination by demonstrating that altruism, when collectively morally lauded, may be only a tool of domination. And to escape this domination we should be aware of selfishness. Our own and of others.

He uses the example of cristian morality. In which altruism is revered and exalted, where te position of slave, where the feeling of pain and the act of sacrifice makes you closer to god. Isn't a moral system that puts value on suffering just a way to convince those who suffer that they are blessed a system who deludes people? Isn't a system that puts moral value on the weak a way to convince the weak to stay week?

"The meek shall inherit the earth" more then 2000 years have passed and they still have not. Egoism is treated as a tool to free the individual from the notion that his material weakness is spiritual strength

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chrispd01 t1_iyn2qwr wrote

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It looks like that except in practice its not. There isnt a real analysis going on in terms of real data etc. hence the basketball model - once people start actually applyjgn analysis the behavior markedly changes

That means that people arent doing that becaue once they start doing that their behavior changes.

The counter to that i think is that people think they are doing that but they are doing a bad job. But in general i dont thibk they really are - they dont make a conscious evalaution of the steps to solve the problem and they just intuit it. They may thinknthey exercosdd judgemtn but in practice they did not

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Council-Member-13 t1_iyn1pvu wrote

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Again, selflessness isn't seeking validation. They are contradictory. Unless you're ascribing to a very alien philosophy of psychology, you're going to get into trouble if you use validation seeking as an example of selflessness.

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MrVeazey t1_iyn190j wrote

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Essentially, yes. Ayn Rand's entire body of work is a series of high-minded excuses for being a selfish ass and the same people who love prosperity gospel are often huge proponents of Randian "philosophy."  

It's super hypocritical because Rand was a militant atheist who had nothing but contempt for any religious person and prosperity gospel is a literal heresy. They're just looking for ways to rationalize their authoritarian worldview and/or their immoral financial excess in face of such widespread poverty.

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