Basic white people love that song everywhere. https://wtop.com/entertainment/2021/12/the-universal-nostalgia-for-take-me-home-country-roads/

I don’t know where you get this impression that Yinzers are somehow different from working class urban whites in Philly. Yinzers are very specifically urban, and are the same type of people who do the Mummers parade. They’re the same as the whites who worked the docks. The working class whites in Pittsburgh are not the same as the working class whites 15 minutes outside of the city though.

Yes. Pittsburgh is deeply to its core influenced by the fact that it is closely surrounded on all sides by rural wastelands for hours on end. Of course it is.

That's just not true about WV. Take me home country roads is a hot song in Pittsburgh and the surrounding areas. There are a lot of WV transplants here, and the populationis small enough that its noticeable. The rural proximity heavily influences the culture. The nightlife heavily influences the culture. Thats part of the culture, you cant say it isnt. And the working class white population is completely different in Philadelphia. They are working class and white and similarly educated, but they aren't cowboys like they are here. I'm from Philadelphia, man.

Pittsburgh is deeply influenced by the significantly less populated nearby areas of West Virginia and Eastern Ohio? You're kidding right? If anything, the influence goes around the other way.

Also as Gladhands said, if you ask where a lot of those cowboy wannabes live, it's more often than not somewhere outside of Allegheny County.

To be clear: when I talk about local culture, I’m talking about those things specific to the city and region, which are not found in comparably sized cities outside of the region. Pittsburgh, lack of EDM bars isn’t a product of local culture; it’s a product of the city’s poor nightlife. Pittsburgh simply gets less in the way of big city nightlife because it’s a much smaller metro area.

Pittsburgh’s working class white population is virtually indistinguishable from Baltimore and Philadelphia’s. Those cowboy wannabes you were discussing are suburban/exurban (Pittsburgh does get rural far closer to the city than PHI/BAL). Pittsburgh is also in no way influenced by West Virginia, simply, because West Virginia has no influence anywhere.

Last time I did this, I already planned on switching to FiOS, but they didn’t even try to keep me. In past years, FiOS wasn’t actually available for me to switch to, so i feel like they knew they had me back then.

I get exactly what you mean. I said to someone yesterday that Pittsburgh and Cleveland may have similarities in terms of the people of both places, but Pittsburgh and Cincinnati have way more in common in terms of architecture and layout. There is a small Southern influence on the culture of Cincinnati that Pittsburgh simply doesn't have.

I totally agree with your second paragraph as well. Cumberland, Johnstown, or Altoona would probably be considered the most alike city to us if populations were more similar. The same could possibly apply to Wilkes-Barre Scranton, as they have a fairly large Eastern European population comparable to here and Cleveland.

LOCAL CULTURE?! Just no. Philly and Baltimore are deeply urban cities with significantly fewer...rural-minded people bopping around. (And I'm not equating "rural" with politics here.) Pittsburgh has cowboy wannabes in spades. Those cities do not. They have significantly more diverse culture, from things like restaurants to stuff like concert bookings and music played at bars. There is not even ONE edm bar in this city. Both of those have a countless number of them. Also of note, both of those cities regularly host music festivals. They are both east coast to the core and Pittsburgh just isn't. Its deeply influenced by neighboring WV and Ohio. The population is also a part of why all of this is the case, but it just makes the culture totally different. Pittsburgh has great stuff and there are a ton of hidden gems in most of the categories I mentioned above, but Philly and Baltimore are awash in just way more and it totally changes the culture.

If you go once a week, it ends up cheaper than paying for a pass every time. If you throw in the free yoga classes it includes and the gear discounts, its worth it as long as long as you average once a week

Buffalo is like a miniature Cleveland, which itself, is like a miniature Detroit. None of those cities are particularly similar to Pittsburgh.

Urban form, demographics, migratory patterns of black/white population, local culture.

I think Buffalo is the sister city for culture/ people. Even has the bigger city to the east that overshadows it, with deep red rural in between.

As far as topography, it's Cincy. But Cincy has a definite different vibe in it's people

Been to Louisville a few times. It's not that similar to Pgh, but I could see someone connecting them because they're river valley towns with historically blue collar origins. Put it like this -- Pgh has some similarities with Cincinnati, and Cincinnati definitely has similarities with Louisville (they're < 100 mi apart), but outside of a couple things (e.g., river valley towns), what makes Pgh and Cincy similar doesn't really seem like what makes Cincy and Louisville similar. Not sure if that makes sense.

I sometimes wonder if these polls look like this because a lot of cities that are pretty similar to Pgh are way smaller in size (e.g., Cumberland, Scranton or Wilkes-Barre, Johnstown, Binghamton -- even places like Roanoke), so they don't get brought up because of the size differential. What do I know, though.

Dude. What? How so?

Also Liege, Belgium: abandoned steel mills https://www.urbex.nl/hfb-ougree/

I once had some business visitors from Liege, Belgium who swore that Pittsburgh was a dead ringer for their city. Eventually I would visit them, and agree https://i.ytimg.com/vi/s8ZGq9ylfyk/maxresdefault.jpg

Which is entirely inaccurate. When's the last time you've been to Cleveland?

How many people voting have actually been to all these cities to actually have perspective?

I have.

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Totally Charleston WV. Totally.

/s

All Dugans must suffer regardless

I’ll die on this hill, Cincy is nothing like Pitt. I have friends who live there and visit yearly. Other than the topography the cities couldn’t be any more different

Morgantown was too obvious of an answer?

FIOS isn’t that expensive really. I have the 300mbps plan. I have my own modem so it’s only $39.99/mo. Unless you have some very specific situation or like 10 people using the internet at the same time in your house, 300mbps is great.

T-Mobile is a good suggestion though. I think they have a trial where you can try it out for free. If Verizon every raised prices I would try them out.

You were off by 599,400 and you think your point still stands?