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ThrowawayAntelopes t1_iy662xi wrote

I share the frustration with the many many many people who let their completely uncontrollable dogs off leash. But it's just not reasonable to never allow dogs to be off leash in public if they're trained well. If you're not hurting anyone you're not hurting anyone. Why doesn't the quality of life of the dogs enter into the equation at any point? They're supposed to never leave their yard unless they're tied to a rope all the time? Ridiculous and cruel.

My dog is off leash all the time and I never ever have had her run up to other people or dogs because she is actually trained (plus an ecollar back-up just in case). She doesn't get stressed about it, she just knows to ignore others. The real problem is that people are totally clueless about how to train and take care of their dogs. Plus they get breeds they cannot handle, especially pit bulls. I still instinctually don't trust off-leash pit bulls because they've run up to us and attacked my dog so many times.

Edit: yall are such hiveminded retards lol. The downvote button isn't for disagreement

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Diet_Coke t1_iy65q3a wrote

Source: dogbites dot org - tells you everything you need to know.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogsbite.org

In her book Pit Bull: The Battle over an American Icon, author Bronwen Dickey writes that DogsBite.org accuses several organizations of being "co-opted by the 'pit bull lobby', a shady cabal that supporters of the site imply is financed by dogfighters."[14] In an interview with Psychology Today, Dickey says "The site's founder is also contemptuous of people in the relevant sciences, including those at the AVMA, the CDC, the Animal Behavior Society, etc. She refers to them as 'science whores,' which alone is enough to discredit her claims."[15]

In an article in the Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association, R. Scott Nolen states that "DogsBite.org's claim that pit bull–type dogs were responsible for 65 percent of the deaths during that 12-year period (2005-2016) is disputed by some groups as inaccurate and misleading. The American Veterinary Society of Animal Behavior, for example, says identifying a dog's breed accurately is difficult, even for professionals, and visual recognition is known to not always be reliable."[2]

Radio Canada accused DogsBite.org of being critical of scientific experts and of using the term "science whore". Colleen Lynn, the site's founder, responded by saying that the term does not come from her[16] and that it has only been used three times since the creation of the site in 2007.[17] Radio Canada also criticized DogsBite.org for counting as a death caused by pit bulls the death of a man who died in 2007 from atherosclerosis and problems with alcohol four months after he was severely injured by pit bulls.[18][17]

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Diet_Coke t1_iy65dhm wrote

I'm not the pro-pit bull community, I'm just a person who knows what logical fallacies are. For example, even if dogbites.org is 100% reliable and factual (even though they're not and all you have to do is look at their Wikipedia page) all they're doing is passing on media reports which are rife with their own issues. Do you seriously think they're getting a DNA test on every dog bite they report?

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EJH-RVA t1_iy64z5j wrote

That’s not at all true, but it’s a common claim in the pro-pit bull community. Every instance they report is sourced and includes linked articles. You should check your facts before spreading lies and mis-information. The fact remains, someone is dead because her neighbor owned a pit bull who mauled her. It was a pit bull because it’s almost always a pit bull. Full stop.

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rvasatxguy t1_iy64nex wrote

https://preview.redd.it/tcn9frpswt2a1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=164f67f4afb1f801c1f5ffbc37e61f286af4f70d

This is just one quick snapshot. Otherwise tons of similar info on google. If you see one with Pit Bulls not at the top of the list and at the bottom, it’s probably because its for breeds least likely to not kill a human.

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opienandm t1_iy645kn wrote

Microbrewery, maybe.

On second thought, nah. If they make the beer, surely they can pour the beer. Part of the microbrewery experience is asking questions of the 18 year old pouring the beer, knowing full well that they know far more about practically every sort of weed than the beers they serve.

And if not, I’d rather they just put cans in refrigerator if they want me to serve myself. Or even better, let me pour my own on the honor system.

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Diet_Coke t1_iy638w3 wrote

Yeah sure, other than basically any breed of dog that gets to be over 50 lbs, or a particularly ornery 30 lb dog, no other breed of dog than pitbull could have killed someone.

>Pit bulls are responsible for more human fatalities and serious injuries from dog attacks than all other breeds combined.

Where does that information come from?

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icecreamfist t1_iy62htg wrote

Sorry, no dog should ever be off leash in public, or non-fenced yard.

I don't know how many times I've walked my dog and owners claim they "have full recall control", and "come through it's alright!", but they don't and their dogs charged my dog. It's taken a lot of money and countless hours trying to rectify the stress that it put on my dog, which manifested as fear aggression.

If a dog is staring toward another dog or person, their heart rate is already rapidly rising, and once they bark their heart rate is already at 130bpm and climbing, and it takes at minimum 30 mins to bring it back down, and no amount of commands, treats, or punishment is going to bring the heart rate down any quicker. This is where a leash helps, you can physically remove the dog away from the trigger.

I've had a certified animal behaviorist ( Certified Applied Animal Behaviorist board certified, grad degree, NIH experience, etc), strongly opine that people should not walk their dogs off leash in public.

Trying to walk around in public with your dog off leash, even if trained, is literally pushing your dog's tolerance to manage stress and the owners training to the edge. It's human ego trying to display dominance. It's unnecessary and risky.

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HopocalypseNow t1_iy628d6 wrote

Ugh this is the same dude that interrupted the Memorial Day ceremonies. He used to own a industrial motor repair business, now his son does. They all have "no step on snake" license plates. Apple doesn't feel far from the tree.

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Diet_Coke t1_iy62459 wrote

I don't know what you mean, that's why I asked. It just seems like one of those things everyone "just knows" but can't provide any kind of reputable source for. It's not like pitbulls are the only breed of dog capable of killing someone, if she had a mastiff, great Dane, cane Corso, German shepherd, rottweiler, doberman pinscher, etc etc etc with the likely history of trauma this pitbull had, someone would still be dead.

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