Recent comments in /f/science

JurassicCotyledon t1_j8dvhy5 wrote

You implied that since the weakest among us are “murdered” by covid, the remaining population is more resilient.

I pointed out that the majority of “weak” individuals do recover. I explained that you’re describing a process of natural herd immunity that has existed long before vaccines were invented.

You also incorrectly claimed that the current vaccines could induce herd immunity for this type of respiratory virus.

No one is on “team covid”. You’re just bothered by people having a less hyperbolic take on the issue.

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williamwchuang t1_j8duviw wrote

You didn't point out any facts that contradict my statement that COVID culls populations of the weakest persons, which is almost undeniable. You are simply arguing that COVID isn't killing enough people.

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farox t1_j8dupwp wrote

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Mmedical t1_j8duoil wrote

Are you suggesting that a COVID infection somehow inherently weakens the immune system or that the person themselves are left less resilient after having a serious illness?

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JurassicCotyledon t1_j8du22g wrote

You cannot achieve herd immunity for this type of respiratory virus, with the current iteration of vaccines. I wish this wasn’t the case.

I have at no point downplayed the seriousness of covid. I just pointed out that your previous statement was objectively incorrect.

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unknownkaleidoscope t1_j8dtvkd wrote

Pacifiers are awful for oral development. SIDS, while tragic, is not really common at all, and it’s largely not preventable. There are also other ways to reduce risk, like not smoking, room sharing, etc. that are only beneficial and do not mess up their oral development.

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williamwchuang t1_j8dtsun wrote

My point is that herd immunity can be achieved using vaccinations at a far lower cost in money and in heartache. No matter how much you try to dismiss the downsides of COVID, the fact is that the downsides of the vaccination are even lower. From a cost-benefit analysis, there is no evidence that vaccination is bad public policy if you value human lives and the reduction in overall sickness.

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FullMaxPowerStirner t1_j8dtne7 wrote

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JurassicCotyledon t1_j8dt2g2 wrote

But the overwhelming majority of people who have been infected, even those with multiple comorbidities, have fully recovered from their infections.

But in general you’re describing the longstanding concept of herd immunity.

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LesPolsfuss t1_j8dsufk wrote

>When considering the loss of our family pets, Park and Jeong recommend, “The act of intentionally expanding the perspective on pet loss experience, switching into a more positive focus, and accepting reality will reduce the grief of its companions and become an opportunity for growth.

I had two rescue dogs I got as puppies that I had to put down. One after 14 years, another after 15 years. I did love them. One them was extremally difficult to care for because of separation anxiety and noise aversion. the other had seizures. I gave my blood, sweat and tears to keep them and care for them.

Putting them down was one of my proudest moments, as an adult.

I say that because putting them down were hard decisions. My wife and I could have kept them going, but it was time. quality of life was at stake. I feel so good that I did good by them, wasn't selfish, and just made the right decision. So, when I think about them, its always a great feeling and almost zero grief. I do miss them, but in a good way.

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CROM________ t1_j8dssew wrote

What corporations run the country? They have a radical left government. Borderline communist in terms of ideology. Do you imply that the lefties there are corporate puppets? Pepper in your mouth.

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2manyfelines t1_j8dsqn5 wrote

My daughter is an ICU nurse in a long term care facility. She has a long of patients with Downs Syndrome AND long COVID.

One of them had noticeable dementia at 31. So sad.

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williamwchuang t1_j8dspx5 wrote

It doesn't appear to do so. The problem with comparing natural immunity is that the COVID infections murder the weakest victims so the culled populations will tend to be more resistant than vaccinated populations.

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JurassicCotyledon t1_j8dskbv wrote

The vast majority of people have already been exposed and developed some form of natural immunity, with or without the vaccines.

No one of an accomplished background in infectious diseases would suggest that avoiding the virus altogether is a realistic strategy.

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