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sonic_tower t1_jbui4n3 wrote

Never seen Tinbergen's questions applied to ethics before. Seems like a bit of a mismatch.

First off, we are presupposing that animal welfare is morally good and that what humans value should align with what nonhuman animals value. You could make a case that this is what ought to be right, but that's not the thesis of this paper.

Second, and closer to the paper's argument, it's weird to think an animal's values will align with Tinbergens questions (answers). For example, every animal wants to consume food, but not every animal values becoming fat. Fish don't value having gills. Answering these questions in a satisfying way would also introduce circular logic, or absurd answers, like fish value gills but arent aware of their values, and humans value fat but deny it if you ask them.

Big fan of the four questions, and of animal welfare, but this paper doesn't use the former to help the latter.

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Maverick0984 t1_jbuh3gm wrote

If that's your question, you clearly don't understand what I'm saying.

The vast majority of teachers do understand the material. You had some weird bad luck and that's the end of it.

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Ill_Marsupial8785 t1_jbugkry wrote

Humans will look back on animal agriculture with the same disgust that we look back on the slave trade. Worrying about welfare is a step, but surely a high welfare slave is still a slave.

These animals are sentient beings who don't deserve to be subjugated for the taste preferences of another species.

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Maverick0984 t1_jbucu2h wrote

You never once mentioned the words "personal" or "opinion".

Here are some exerts from your posts:

>Permafrost always reminds me of how broken the education system can be. ​

>The problem is that the education degree has very little to do with the subject matter being taught...Yet we have almost none of the basic subject matter in the training for those tasked with training our kids. It's silly ​

Seems awfully universal to you in these posts my guy.

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Maverick0984 t1_jbuaux3 wrote

My point was that your experience is completely anecdotal yet you claim it as fact. If your school was ranked well, then you got bad teachers in an otherwise good school. Assuming all teachers are improperly trained and dumb is just plain ignorant.

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jack821 t1_jbu6j4e wrote

I understand you want to just let life all blink from existence. Fine. But don’t wish it in a cruel way such as a plague etc. Ironically that’s the whole reason you don’t want it all to continue I’m guessing.

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AnytimeBro t1_jbu5u46 wrote

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WhiskeyKid33 t1_jbu2ioy wrote

Fecal Microbiota Transplant. The process of using a donors stool to equalize / improve gut flora. Over time, through the consumption of processed foods, sugars etc is thought to remove the "good" flora and feeds the "bad" flora. Things like smoking, not exercising, lack of sleep, antibiotics, alchohol also contribute to the health of these "good" and "bad" flora. Using a donors stool is a straight-forward way of supplying the gut with flora thought to balance the immune system and reduce the number of bad flora responsible for a potential litany of bad-juju.

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SpecterGT260 t1_jbu13ij wrote

I addressed that. A top scoring school in ITBS/ITED. I went to a great college and ended up going to professional school. I don't feel I had any obstacles to the life I now have because of primary school. But there were still problems.

And yes, I think we should pay teachers more. It would draw in more people who are actually good educators. Are you trying to make a point?

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Maverick0984 t1_jbu01jj wrote

Maybe your school was just bad? I don't know what to tell you. Your anecdotal experience differs wildly from mine.

I assume you're happy with what teachers are paid as well based on this "analysis"

Edit: typo

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SpecterGT260 t1_jbtzony wrote

It wasn't the only example. I had teachers in almost every grade that didn't know their own material and made very basic errors.

Had one tell us in middle school (geometry) that light reflects off a mirror always at a right angle. He also stuck to his guns on this until I asked him what would happen if you looked straight into a mirror and then moved 1 inch to the right. Would you be staring at the wall to your left?

Another middle school teacher was adamant that radicals just cancelled out negatives. Because -2 squared is 4, therefore any time you interact with a radical the negative just disappears. I ended up with detention for fighting for -sqrt(4) is in fact -2 like the book said and not a typo like the teacher insisted. To be fair, he normally taught gym, but this was supposed to be the advanced algebra class... And I was even in one of the better public school systems.

The problem is that the education degree has very little to do with the subject matter being taught. A tech CEO may know a lot about running a business but that doesn't mean they should be teaching the programmers code. Yet we have almost none of the basic subject matter in the training for those tasked with training our kids. It's silly

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