Of course it is not guaranteed that companies will pay all that taxes, it's government job to force them. My point was, that in this situation there would be money even if everyone lose their job. The problem of wealth distribution is still to be solved, but we can see how it can be made in countries like Germany. There people are considered to have a right to have all necessary to live. Of course for now it is only minimum: food, clothes, place to live, public utilities. But it's enough to live and many people, who are unable to find a job are living from this money for years. Purpose and accomplishment are important for humans, but is a work, especially a payed work, is the only way to get it? The problem of unhappy people watching tiktok in their apartments can be solved by AI mental health asistant. Now there is basically no access to mental health services for the majority of Earth's population.

As long as it can provide stable services, and the filter does not overly hurt the quality of its conversation (at this point, I would rather wait for the open source local running ai), I am already willing to spend a little time every day talking with it about philosophy and listening to some Like life advice taken from a self-help book.

As long as their servers are stable.

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I think more people will consider is agi, i mean people are calling chat gpt agi rn when its not, soooo

We did progress a lot. Tech has become wayy more accessible and faster and software is reaching new levels of power with AI. Basically there has been a lot of refinement, which is why you couldn't notice.

We got some interesting ones on this sub lol

But the brain appears to have massively more effective compute than even the largest AI systems. The chinchilla scaling laws suggest we need much larger systems.

Hell yeah

Asked when? Because I suspect a lot of people will suddenly recall something different.

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And honestly I don't think most people will really think it through that way, it's worth a reminder that just because someone uses one of these, doesn't mean they necessarily pay attention to futurology.

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There's also the point that there may very well be AGI well before there's publicly released AGI, particularly if DeepMind manages it first, which would twist the question since anyone paying attention would be aware then.

>ed between 2013 and 2023? How about in mining? Metallurgy? Shipping? Logistics? Battery tech? Automation? Farming? agriculture? Computational analysis?

Exactly that! - extreme case of cherry picking/

If I judge by evolution of a toaster in past 20 years, oh boy the progress is really shit, toaster still toasts 2 slices of bread (while our exponential expectations were about toasting 1 billion slices) it still does not talk, does not walk and does not please you sexualy, still requires electricity and all - zero progress, how can one expect any thing to come out from AI, LEV or fusion if toasters are still like that.

To be fair, we’ve dialed in the quality of all those products by quite a bit. What was experienced before was simply the birth of the internet in peoples pockets which is very hard to beat. We’re leagues ahead of ten years ago in performance.

??????? ok? I’ll go tell Andrew right now and get back to you on what he says. ????

In a few decades organs printing and the first cyberpunk implants. In a few centuries healing nanobots. In a thousand years a hive mind in a growing Dyson swarm. In a million years no more need for bodies. Nervous tissue, hardware, and software will become one.

Why did 2003 to 2013 feel like more progress - because of OP's lens / myopic view / confirmation bias.

Lets see the facts and debunk it:

1. Invention of an iPhone - randomly pick any PDA, say Cassiopeia A-10 that was released in 1997! thats 6 years before 2003, to people who owned it an Iphone was just "another evolution" and for longest time "not a real smartphone" because nokia was able to run Java apps one could install without a need for an app store. - what does it mean, iPhone nailed UX and amplified with a power of Brand and Marketing, the revolution started far before thought.
2. Social media revolution... ICQ gained wide spread popularity in 1998....
3. Have been happening every year since video games existed, from 3dfx voodoo cards to real time shadows, there were no exact slow down or acceleration - its pretty much an compound growth graph.
4. Video streaming? Quicktime or first video calls ? again broadband speeds increase similarly to video game graphics this trend was not different if you zoom out from 2003 or 2013.)
5. https://ourworldindata.org/internet you can see for yourself that there is minor difference with mostly only North America getting to a close to maximum penetration.

This is very clearly a very narrow, consumer electronics and experience focused view, I am openly criticizing it not because I want to hype the short singularity timelines but simply because it is not factual, its cherry picked, apples vs oranges + industry focused bias derived.

- 2013 to 2023 things that actually happened from Crispr, to us having CPUs fabricated on five to ten times smaller nanometer scale vs those in 2013 are a massive progress.

- 2016 AI wins at GO - this felt like humans landing on the moon or going to space for the first time.

- see number of records in Fusion energy development https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_nuclear_fusionI can make a very long list of things that are evolutionary (like iPhone) but also revolutionary an not expected (like Ai progress, Fusion, etc) for every decade and if anything there is acceleration of progress not other way around.

I would love to be proven wrong but in a constructive manner not in biased tunnel-vision way lol ;-)

I disagree, copyrighting styles is absurd, countless possibilities banned in one go? We'll get to the point where humans fear creating anything because it will inevitably resemble some style somewhere.

There's a AI race between US and China and these lawsuits fighting against mainly fair use of copyrighted material will slow down US significantly in that race.

Because this is the singularity reddit page and most people here want to extend the human lifespan.

The question is illegal in itself, for simply existing, or illegal to publish, but ok to train on since it has no copyright and does not closely resemble the originals? It could be a technical way to reduce exact copyright infringement.

IMO 2015 is when the big shift happened, which is after 2013.

I argued with my machine learning friend about neural networks. She claimed that neural networks were "for losers" and not getting anywhere because they required too much data. This was on the heels of the fact that they passed a critical test which, in the past, was postulated as a "test for AI consciousness": Captioning an image. Basically, constant goal-post moving.

It was also on the heels of AlphaGo's victory, which was deemed by most CS experts at the time as impossible or improbable in the near future.

tl;dr 2015 was the year AI proved all the naysayers wrong IMO. And it came after 2013.

You're already in the, "billionaire with golden toilets is president of the United States" timeline.

Seems like pretty good evidence we are already in the simulation.. It surprises me how much this actually seems like the truth....

Reminds me of the average Redditer on tech subs tbh.

Quantum computing is hitting production today we will see some pretty impressive tech this next decade

2003 - 2013 was breakthrough / proliferate into mainstream era 2013 - 2023 was fine tune era and developing less visibly or universally applied improvements.

I'm not in a tech field nor am I well versed in economics also I'm not optimistic about the altruism of mankind. That being said, why has no one in the thread ( as I've read so far) mentioned the problem isn't already being addressed now? By "problem " I mean excess population. I don't think it's a strain on the imagination to see how " the powers that be" might twist massurdrr into something they see as something good for humanity. Culling the herd... I don't agree... But to be fair, it might look differently if I were on the other side of the fence. Evil men dont think they're evil, there's always a way to justify evil acts " for the greater good. If that scenario is just too impossible to entertain, I'd very much like to know why.... I truly would. Another question that comes to me, (and please excuse my ignorance on the subject) as I understand it post singularity AGI will rapidly evolve to the point that we'd have no ability to control it..or even comprehend it.. That it would, very soon, be to us, as we are to ants.. and then continue to grow. Why would such a being care about our fate much less feel the need to "move " in order to dodge taxes? Taxes ? .. really? That's an option? I think more likely we should try and not get between it and any goal it may have. Seems out best hope is that it ignores us . If that's way off base, please let me know why. Reassurance would be welcome .. seriously

Reminds me of them long nights on 3 meo pcp.