>>There’s no way an AI would randomly be able to control that amount of energy without us knowing of the mechanisms used to control such energy, let alone seeing the structures built to move that energy around in a useful way.

Why not? Are you dumb enough to assume AGI will never surpass human cognitive abilities? Please tell me you’re not that stupid…

Please provide this ample evidence by experts explicitly stating that post scarcity would occur before a singularity by requirement.

It's not good to focus on what you can't control. This is a mystery, and it's starting to get good. Stick around and find out what happens.

I didn’t give a hard time line tho… A hard timeline would be me giving specific dates and shit. I didn’t. You seriously need to improve your reading comprehension skills bruh.

It’s just pretty much universally agreed on by actual experts that if we ever achieve post-scarcity, it’ll before any singularity occurs. No other order even makes sense. There’s no guarantee humans will even still be around post-singularity. And the singularity isn’t even needed in order to reach post scarcity. So do the math there genius…

Please go educate yourself

For the earth, the Gravitational Binding Energy is about 2x10^32 Joules, or about 12 days of the Sun's total energy output, Mr. Big Thinker.

There’s no way an AI would randomly be able to control that amount of energy without us knowing of the mechanisms used to control such energy, let alone seeing the structures built to move that energy around in a useful way.

Not understanding how physics work & thinking that AI will suddenly rewrite it one day is what you get when you browse an echo chamber for your information on such things.

I struggle to see how bing chat and ChatGPT will play in the market… competitors? ChatGPT free and paid version against bing chat that’s free but focused on search to assist market share acquisition?

Will Microsoft seek to insulate BingChat from some controversial uses - such as school/academia as to pretext it’s image?

Microsoft may be an investor - but OpenAI remains the key holder here (I am unclear what kind of conditions Microsoft and OpenAI may have agreed to as part of the investment)

> I’ll grant there is a gap there….. but it actually makes the whole thing weaker than I was granting…

What you described as the Chinese room argument is not the commonly accepted Chinese room “argument”. Your version was about “intelligence” the accepted version is about “conscious” / “understanding” / “mind” regardless how intelligent the machine is.

Whether the commonly accepted Chinese room argument is “weaker“ is difficult to judge due to the difference between them. I expect to judge whether a machine has “conscious” / “understanding” / “mind” will be harder than judging whether that machine is intelligent.

To judge intelligence there are objective tests. Are there objective tests to judge “consciousness” / “understanding” / “mind”? I suspect not.

> cause I don’t give a shit about whether an AI system is “conscious” or “understanding” or a “mind”, those are BS meaningless mystical terms.

For you they are “meaningless mystical terms”. For many others these are important aspects that they believe make humans “human”. They care about these things because these things determine how mechanical minds are viewed and treated by society.

When you construct an LLM today you are free to delete it. When you create a child however you are not free to “delete it”. If ever human minds are judged to be equaivalent to machine minds will machine minds come to be treated like human minds?

Will instead human minds come to be treated like machine minds which we are free to do with as we please (enslave / delete / ...)? When human minds come to be treated like machines will it make sense to care whether they suffer? To a machine what is suffering? Is your car “suffering” when check engine light is on? It is but a “status light” is it not?

> What I care about is the practical demonstration of intelligence; what measurable intelligence does a system exhibit. I’ll let priests and philosophers debate about whether its “really a mind” and how many angels can dance on the head of a pin while I use the AI to do fun or useful stuff.

I understand your attitude since I share it.

There’s still a lot that we don’t know about the universe tho… and you’re assuming that there’s no way to change or alter the principles of the Earth as well. Say a super-intelligence system were able to develop a weapon that could alter Earth’s gravitational pull. Suddenly the current laws of physics go out the window. You’re thinking too small. Like I said, there’s still a lot that we don’t understand about the universe. Thinking the singularity will be “business as usual” is what happens when you try to base your understanding of it off fictional novels…

This reads like an adult trying to role-play as a teenager.

LOL at you claiming theres a hard timeline to any of this, much less something as absurd as post-scarcity being a requirement for a singularity

You may not be, but think of how many people there are of varying wiseness/foolishness and smartness/dumbness.

There's someone out there who's the right combination of smart enough to make the AI do shitty things, and foolish enough to use it do that.

On top of that, the search AI is just outputting pretty disturbing things. I think the company is in their right to withhold the service because of that.

Humans adapt, well figure it out. A) who knows if it will happen b)who knows if whatever disaster you're imagining is what does happens C) Its normal to feel this way, the world does look fucking insane so don't take me saying this stuff as trying to invalidate your feelings but theyre probably just a bit excessively high right now.

The point of the novel(s) is to explore those complex topics, I’m not saying that that’s what it’ll be like but that it gives a perspective on what it could be like.

Similar to star trek & it’s commentary on capitalism, or the three body problem and it’s explanation for the Fermi paradox ad infinitum.

As far as the technology beyond our comprehension, that technology as high and mighty as it may be, will still be based on physical principles we know of.

And even the technology that’s born out of principles we’ve yet to discover will come out of the unification of things we already know, like general relativity and quantum mechanics.

You could create extremely hard materials by manipulating the strong nuclear force over large distances, this would be extremely exotic by our standards but not outside the realm of possibility. Stuff like that is what the singularity would allow, is it impossible to comprehend? Not really.

America has collectively blinked at the NSA's shenaniganry an awful lot by now. How much more do you expect from us in the blink-at-them department?

The best thing to happen is if your world view _does_ fall apart. Because at least then you will be able to consciously _choose_ the factors that will go into building your next worldview. Be sure to give yourself enough time and space and compassion to allow this process to unfold.

The dominant worldviews in practice today are woefully inadequate to the predicaments we are currently facing. It's the next higher level problem as what Einstein said: “We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them.” In other words, we can't solve the problems caused by our current worldview using only the types of thinking that can be generated by our existing worldview. We need a new _kind_ of thinking.

And this is what is instilling this sense of dread and despair in people who have been paying attention. Believe me, many of us who have been singularity- (and/or collapse-) aware for at least a few years have gone through the stages of grief.

But living in an inflection point of human (and maybe universe) history is going to be filled with amazing and awe-inducing things, as well as what we currently think of as unfathomable horrors. I find a bigger worldview inspired by Buddhism to be helpful for me in learning how to accept, and then hopefully navigate, what's coming.

The entire point of the singularity is that all of our current knowledge and logic will have long been rendered irrelevant at that point. Technological progression would have long surpassed human comprehension. That’s the entire point. Humans today can’t comprehend what comes after the singularity. Do you see the problem with “extrapolating” our current understanding in this scenario?

Also do you really think it’s wise to base your understanding of such a complex topic on a clearly fictional novel made most likely for entertainment purposes?

Worrying about something as theoretical as the singularity is a waste of your mental effort. It’s a fun topic to ponder, and interesting to see what people say about it. The reality is nobody here has any knowledge about a technological singularity, whether it is likely or even possible. Worrying about it is akin to worrying about an alien invasion. Possible, but completely theoretical.

Calm down. No one knows what is going to happen. The fact that you are aware puts you way ahead of most other people. Pay attention, be flexible, look for career opportunities that will be hard to automate like good paying trades. Relax, everything will be alright.

>not a personal waifu. No sane corporation can allow for such headlines which had been in the news for the recent days

https://blogs.microsoft.com/ai/xiaoice-full-duplex/

>Unlike productivity-focused assistants such as Cortana, Microsoft’s social chatbots are designed to have longer, more conversational sessions with users.  They have a sense of humor, can chitchat, play games, remember personal details and engage in interesting banter with people, much like you would with a friend.

It’s not claiming to know, it’s doing what any good science fiction does and extrapolates what we know to logical conclusions to create interesting narratives, and do commentary on the current social, technological & political climates etc.

The culture novels are known for that, don’t knock it until you’ve read it.

On the one hand it's good that we can see in which ways this system is vulnerable to becoming evil AI before it's too smart.

On the other hand, yeah it's fucked for people to act like this.

Any book claiming to know what happens post singularity is illegitimate and merely just mindlessly speculating at best tbh.

Well the good news is that when the singularity is achieved, politics and climate change will no longer be a problem.

Most of us are optimistic about the development of the singularity. Assuming we survive to see it, AI will create what’s called a post-scarcity economy. Effectively utopian living standards.

I won’t deny it’s scary. And when you put it in perspective it makes the next 20 years seem kind of terrifying, and it would very well end up being the death of us all.

But take pride in that. Thousands of generations of human history and you happen to be living in possibly the most important one ever. The one where the human race ends, or ascends to something incredible that makes Star Trek look primitive.

Live your childhood. Be proud of yourself and keep up with understanding the potential of AI. Listen to some Lex Friedman podcasts, he talks about it a lot with people developing it in the field.

The point is, until the world stops, its going to keep going. So should you.

It's too undercooked to be available to the public IMO. It needs to be better aligned internally BEFORE it's released to the public, but money got the better of them.