Recent comments in /f/singularity

turnip_burrito t1_j97xfjr wrote

> 1. Qualia is a product of configuration of matter to produce a result using energy.

Yes, this is what I think it is. We just don't know what kind of configuration is needed. In the end we may end up with two systems (brain and AGI) with similar performance on tasks, but no clue whether they both produce qualia. The details of the implementation (substrate) may matter.

Even within our own brains, we aren't consciously aware of all the activity occuring to regulate heart rate, breathing, body temperature, and other unconscoous processes. There is some matter construction which separates the qualia of our "awareness" from the rest of our brain, even though it's all physically connected, and even though those "unconscious" regions are doing a lot of computation. There is a boundary to our qualia set by the physical structure. Investigating why that is would be a good place to start, if only we had the technology to probe it.

It may be that the electronic chips we produce have qualia like our aware region, or are instead like our unaware brain regions, or something different.

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MrEloi t1_j97x9gk wrote

>The genie is out of the bottle, there's zero chance just two or three companies will get to keep it. Every billionaire worth their salt is focusing heavily on the AI field right now

Agreed .. but these big firms will all do their darndest to 'tax' the population's use of AI.

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helpskinissues t1_j97w6jy wrote

There are just two possibilities.

  1. Qualia is a product of configuration of matter to produce a result using energy.

  2. Qualia is a product of configuration of something that isn't matter.

If it's 1, then it should be replicable with technology (it's a matter of off/on and that's it, transistors, neurons).

If it's 2, then science makes no sense.

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ThoughtSafe9928 t1_j97w624 wrote

OK. So what makes Bing not appear to actually be conscious?

Now what if you fixed all of those issues? Now what’s preventing it from appearing actually conscious? Nothing? You can’t disprove it’s consciousness?

Well, if it looks like a zebra, eats like a zebra, sounds like a zebra, and acts like a zebra, it might be a zebra.

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LambdaAU t1_j97w5l8 wrote

Look up “hard problem of consciousness” and you’ll see why this doesn’t really work. Firstly, we don’t actually know wether anyone other than yourself is conscious. Also “extending” consciousness wouldn’t confirm that a machine is conscious. Certain parts of the human body such as the nervous system can “extend” our consciousness but this doesn’t mean they are conscious by themselves.

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Nervous-Newt848 t1_j97vu54 wrote

Missing parts of the architecture... I'm still wondering whether inference alone could cause consciousness or inference and continuous backpropagation would cause consciousness...

Continuous backpropagation is how our brain can continuously learn... Neural networks cannot do this continuously it requires too much energy...

large language model, inner monologue, world model, visual and textual datasets (multimodal)...

Combine all these things and will have something really great

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turnip_burrito t1_j97ub7z wrote

> Qualia is software, not hardware.

You cannot know this right now. You're not being honest with what you actually know.

We like to compare brains to computers, since that's the current technology that most resembles it, but they don't necessarily work the same way. The way computation is performed in them is very different. I can't even begin to guess where qualia in a brain comes from, so I won't attempt to identify a location or process in a computer either.

I don't ascribe to quantum mysticism or anything like that. I'm totally in the camp of "show me the facts, show me predictions we can test". We haven't tested qualia to any meaningful extent to know its origin. It's a mystery, like lightning was before we knew about ions and electric fields.

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helpskinissues t1_j97t384 wrote

Reply to comment by NutInBobby in What’s up with DeepMind? by BobbyWOWO

https://www.businessinsider.com/deepmind-secret-plot-break-away-from-google-project-watermelon-mario-2021-9

DeepMind (Demis) is against corporation approaches. Google bought DeepMind and Demis later regretted that transaction. They're in a tense relationship, which explains why in the last years Alphabet has heavily invested in Google AI to separate themselves from DeepMind. Anyone that follows closely the AI news would know that Google is ignoring most DeepMind news. They don't even tweet about their progress, yet they tweet everything about Google AI.

They have two LLMs (Lambda and Sparrow), and the one that's going to be released on Google is Lambda, not Sparrow (DeepMind). DeepMind is a rebel inner research team inside Google. I wouldn't even say they're inside Google, they're not even in the same country.

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YobaiYamete t1_j97sau0 wrote

Reply to comment by Stakbrok in What’s up with DeepMind? by BobbyWOWO

More like "Here's exactly how to make a car that can run for 200,000 miles on one drop of water. I'm not going to make it though, because won't someone think of the poor oil barons?"

then

"ZOMG!!!! Someone made the car and is selling it for billions???"

It's baffling that Google has sat on the tech for so long, and fully justified that another upstart is castrating them after actually using it

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