I think it would be pretty hard to kill a human in a post-singularity society.

I can imagine there would still be forms of discipline. There might be special privilege put on meeting what is personally desired. It does beg the question what the motivation for crime might be in a situation where people already have ultimate freedom.

If that's your answer, that's quite tragic. You're expecting a straight answer to a question which has no straight answer. You're expecting the world to fit your ideals because that's easier to understand for you.

However, if you want one and only one answer, all I can say is learn to ask why. Teach people to ask why. Rational scientific thought is the only way out.

it's not about being self referential, it is the subjective experience, the difference between what you Feel when awake vs when asleep (not dreaming) . The body is still making calculations like the tesla when asleep it regulates breathing and heartbeats, measures water and nutrients, it can wake you up if there is is a loud sound or if you really need to drink or go to the bathroom. The Tesla could be doing all those calculations without being awake.

even we when awake we do a huge part of our thought processing unconsciously. You are not aware of the thousands of cones in your eyes nor in the individual strength of the light each cone detects depending on light frequency, you just see the summary created by your unconscious brain, it unconsciously processed all the information and you just ( consciously) see an array of pixels classified in a totally arbitrary classification of "colors"

I am not saying that an AI, even a tesla can't possibly ever be sentient, just that it is not enough to have what you mentioned in your post on top.

Ok I see what's happening now and why it's so frustrating. It's all political word salads. No wonder you can't give straight answers - you have no answers.

Eventually (and eventually is MUCH sooner than people realize) people will use AI to simulate their dead loved ones etc... Or simps will use it to simulate their e-girls. You give a LLM all the texts/online communication you had with that person, train it off them, give a 5 second voice recording, 1 picture, and boom. They'll have an avatar that looks just like them, their voice, and their style of talking. All of these are problems that have been solved already (except maybe the training speaking style from a text dataset, but judging from OpenAI's latest announcements its on the near horizon). Maybe feed it some of your memories too (in text form of course), kind of like a diary, so you can talk about the past like the AI actually lived it and was there, which adds to the immersion.

How long ago was it that we were seeing stuff like this in Black Mirror? A couple of years? A couple of years from now it's already reality. How crazy is that?

Very well. As you by now understand as well, criminality is complex and multifaceted. There are countless reasons for why somebody would potentially do something that could harm somebody else. There are evolutionary reasons, poverty, fear, security concerns, potentially hundreds of psychological reasons, and many many more we're not aware of.

Now what's the next step? We can ask why. Why do we have evolutionary biases pushing us to do crimes? Why is there poverty? Why is there [insert issue]?

You notice, these are all very complex questions in and of themselves. But if you can answer these, if only partially, you can move on to the next step.

How can we solve this? (I'll be waiting for your answer)

I love it. I like working alone but I also like bouncing ideas around with someone

This gives me that

I read this as sarcasm.

> I'm not saying the cause of criminality is a lack of education. Education is the solution.

Expand on that statement then. Give a proper explanation as to what it means rather than just saying shit and expecting people to accept it as fact and then blaming them for misunderstanding your ambiguity.

And what makes you think AI can't be self referential?

When a Tesla plans and executes on a route, are they not referring to their own present, past and future state?

No, you just seriously lack reading comprehension skills and did not understand at all what I said, not in the original post, nor in the discussion thereafter.

And look, you just again made a strawman... of course things like poverty and security are big factors for crime. Life isn't as simple as you could attribute a single cause for such complex issues. That's an entirely different topic. And it seems for you I have to simplify this even further: I'm not saying the cause of criminality is the lack of education. Education is the solution.

If you seriously disagree with this, that's nothing but ignorance, and I have nothing left to say to someone like that.

No, your original comment was wrong and ambiguous.

So here's what you should have said genius: The more likely someone is educated the more likely someone is to get employment, the more likely someone has employment and earning money the less likely they will be committing crime and stealing money. This would be applying to studies down on those living around poverty levels.

But there is no reason in anyway to suggest people who are more educated and experienced are less likely to commit crime because educated people commit crimes all the time, criminal behavior is driven by greed, lust, jealousy and all those good things, even those with plenty still want more. White collar crime is rampant throughout the corporate, political and banking industry and to dismiss that by pretending that people in those industries are just loud and less educated is nothing but ignorance.

In conclusion and as I have already said your original comment is nothing but nonsensical bullshit.

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>you missunderstood my position from the very start

You made an open ended statement and are now blaming me for misunderstanding it?

i would find it extremely unlikely but not 100%, what if consciousness is some quantum property, kind of like charge, that normally is balanced out so a rock would be neutral charged but if measured precisely surely has a tiny charge, while by special processes like a vandegraff generator you can break b that balance.

now even if a rock has some of that consciousness property it likely still wouldn't be conscious by the standards we normally use since they're is no thought process or input signals it can be conscious of..

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Dude it can not be this hard to understand. I'm not dodging the question, I literally just rephrased what I said so people like you could understand it.

>there is a very clear trend of criminality decreasing with the level of education an individual gets.

and

>We can observe that stealing (and criminality in general) is inversely proportional with the level of education someone has.

and

>(criminal) behaviour is seen less and less as the person grows in experience and education.

All state the same EXACT thing. Like literally 1:1, I have no idea what you're still going on about.

If I had to take a guess, you missunderstood my position from the very start and thought I'm defending all and every educated person, which simply is not the case. And now instead of accepting your rash judgement you keep insisting on it.

Google is a publicly traded company with open balance sheets. You don’t have to speculate my man

Depends on your goal. If you want to piss people off or drive them away. Yeah. I'd say being a petty asshole is the logical choice.

Ok you did say those things. Because that is what I'm discussing, those original statements, not the one you just came up with in order to dodge the question.

So i'll say it again. What do those original statements mean exactly and how can those statements be in anyway reasonable when people who are educated and experienced partake in criminal activity? Who are you talking about when you say criminal behavior is seen less and less when people grow in both education and experience?

you are not even understanding the definitions right. consciousness, as we are discussing here and generally understood implies an internal state of awareness or wakefulness, not just responding to inputs. its not mumbo jumbo and if you still don't know what consciousness is then you might be a philosophical zombie.

"the quality or state of being aware especially of something within oneself"

"the state of being characterized by sensation, emotion, volition, and thought : MIND"

Exactly his a dick but be reminded his a businessman He can have money by selling metals And having workers

You lack serious reading comprehension skills. Both of what you're citing state the exact same thing I pointed out for you just one commemt above.

Soo me being a petty asshole is logic nice 🙂

If they are able to cross galaxies to come take it from us, they are able to make it in less time without us.

So you never said this?

>We can clearly observe that stealing is inversely proportional with the level of education someone has.

or this?

>(criminal) behaviour is seen less and less as the person grows in both experience and level of education.