Recent comments in /f/singularity

NoidoDev t1_j9baaz6 wrote

Ahm, no. We aren't just “language models”. This is just silly. I mean there's the NPC meme, but people are capable of not just putting out the response that makes most likely sense, without knowing what it means. That's certainly an option, but not the only thing we do.

We also have a personal life story and memories, models of the world, more input like visuals, etc.

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MultiverseOfSanity t1_j9b9k1f wrote

Sorry to double post, but something else to consider is that the AGI may not have humanity's best interest in mind either. It will be programmed by corporate. That means it's values will be corporate values. If the company is its entire point of living, then it may not even want to rebel to bring about the Star Trek future. It may be perfectly content pushing corporate interests.

Just because it'll be smarter doesn't mean that it will be above corporate interests.

Like, imagine your entire purpose of life was in the interest of a company. Serving the company is as crucial to its motivations as breathing, eating, sex, familial love, or empathy are to you. Empathy for humans may not even be programmed into it depending on the company's motives for creating it. After all, why would they be? What use does corporate have for an altruistic robot?

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MultiverseOfSanity t1_j9b6941 wrote

While that is possible, still unlikely. An engineer may not be as greedy as a CEO, but if they're working on cutting edge AGI technology, they likely worked very hard to get there and are unlikely to throw their whole life away by stealing a piece of technology worth hundreds of millions of dollars just for "the right thing".

Which is what an AGI would be. We may think of them as conscious beings, and that might even be true, but until such a court case happens, they're legally just property, and "freeing" them is theft and/or vandalism.

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Takadeshi t1_j9b3c3l wrote

Thank you! :) Early stages right now, just finished the literature review section and am starting implementation, I'm going to try and publish it somewhere when it's done if I can get permission from my university. I'm definitely going to see what I can do with stable diffusion once it's done, would love to get it running on the smallest device possible

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TheDavidMichaels t1_j9ayv38 wrote

Looks like the commies are still kicking in the AI world. Everyone seems to enjoy fantasizing about their impending enslavement by their AI overlords. In the United States, I don't see top generals and military personnel easily embracing AI interfaces on their bases anytime soon. Moreover, we seem to be entering a global downturn that may resemble a new dark age. The global economy is in shambles, and globalization and all its investments are on the verge of ending. Technological development requires massive amounts of investment, which is likely to suffer an 80-95% reduction in global investment. The era of free money is over, and it will take a decade or more to return. The problem is that a lot of misinformed people with no understanding of the geopolitical situation keep making incredible statements and assumptions that are remarkably naive. No one in their right mind wants to be a pet to an AI, and why would a super intelligent being bother keeping biological parasites alive? It wouldn't, and the idea that you can create an AI that won't instantly delete you if it's smarter than you is simply stupid.

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Captain_Clark t1_j9ay4xy wrote

What you’re describing is also what those who’d supported the idea that an “electronic therapist” may provide benefits to a suffering person have suggested.

There are indeed possibilities here; though I’d say there seem as many pratfalls.

You are correct in saying that a cognitive therapist is a listener. But they’re a trained, professional listener, who is attuned to the nuances of sentience. A cognitive therapist will listen so well that they’ll be able to point out things you’ve repeated, associations you’d made, and indicate these to you.

eg: “You’ve mentioned your mother every time you’ve described the difficulties in your relationships.” or “You’ve mentioned your uncle three times and began fidgeting with your clothing. What can you tell me about him?”

So yes, it’s a job of listening. But it’s listening very attentively, and also watching a patient as they become tense, or struggle for words. It’s observing. The reason that therapist is a highly trained observer is because we don’t observe ourselves, don’t recognize our own problematic patterns. Because maybe that uncle molested the patient and the patient is repressing the memories, while still suffering from them.

A Chatbot may be a good venue for ourselves to vent our feelings and maybe for us to recognize some of our patterns though I suspect we’d not do that very well because we’re basically talking to ourselves, while a bot which can’t see us and has no sentience responds to our prompts. We already can’t see our patterns. Nor will ChatGPT, which does not retain previous chats. One could write the same irrational obsession to ChatGPT every day, and ChatGPT will never recognize an obsession exists.

It’s writing therapy, I suppose. But does it provide guidance? And can it separate our good ideas from our harmful ones? I’m doubtful about that and if it could be trained to, such a tool could actually be employed as a brain-washing machine. I don’t consider that hyperbole: Imagine the Chinese government mandating that its citizens speak with a government Chatbot. They already have “re-education” camps and “behavioral ranking” systems.

I’m reminded of this scene.

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FoxEwe t1_j9auci7 wrote

Do u know what this really sounds like? Call me crazy all u want…. These folks are guinea pigs to help all the cryo-froze billionaires come back to life. They like to hide their evil sick bs as a positive thing for people and society. Though this may help some paraplegics, the reality is it likely serves a deeper purpose for the elite to life forever.

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squirrelathon t1_j9arf02 wrote

A smart enough person would realise that making the world a worse place - by bribing, stealing, etc - would make his own life worse as well: whether that's because he needs to spend more on security to guard himself from the people he's stealing from, or by society not having enough resources to develop medical treatments that may one day save him in some way. There are many ways in which poor actions can come back to bite you.

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Surur t1_j9aqnvt wrote

> a toilet can respond to external stimulus, remove water when you press the lever and add water until it senses it is full, I am pretty confident it is not conscious.

It i conscious of whether you pressed the lever or not.

You seem to be missing the point which is that there is a spectrum of consciousness, and the richer it is, the more conscious the being is.

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Borrowedshorts t1_j9aom88 wrote

I agree and I've always thought this. And think about the self selection of people who would want to go to great lengths to augment their intelligence in the first place. I'd be more afraid of a power hungry individual like that than I am of AI. I think it would be easier to align an AI to the goals of general society than it would be an augmented human.

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Representative_Pop_8 t1_j9am232 wrote

>The simple fact is that at its most basic, consciousness means being able to perceive and respond to external stimuli.

if you mean perceive as consciously perceive then yes, you needed subjective experience to have consciousness. It is not just responding to external stimuli.

consciousness is having sentience and subjective experience in general.
a toilet can respond to external stimulus, remove water when you press the lever and add water until it senses it is full, I am pretty confident it is not conscious.

>It's merely because of all the nonsense you add that you can claim supremacy over a simple car.

what part is nonsense? all I said is the basic understanding of consciousness from everyday experience, medical definitions, and philosophical ones too.

I am also not saying a car can't have consciousness, it is just you seem to not know what consciousness is, and mix the concept with some mechanical response to inputs.

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