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bortvern t1_j9orlhe wrote

People are deriding ChatGPT now saying, "it answers Physics questions like a C- student." Which actually means it answers Physics questions in a way that might earn a human a degree. Something completely unthinkable just a few years ago. And this is February 2023. This is the first of many iterations that will improve and inevitably surpass human abilities in a general way. Remember search in the 90s? It wasn't anywhere near where it is today, and AI is ramping up a lot faster than search did.

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genericrich t1_j9orl32 wrote

Photographs record reality we can perceive. AI art machines generate images that are derived based on their similarity to other image elements which match the prompts it is given.

I agree with you that it is unfortunate the patent office based its decision on creative intention instead of on derivation from other copyrighted images. For me, that's the crux of the issue. These machines are just taking your prompt tokens, and manipulating pixels until the generated image is as close as it can get based on what it has been trained on. Which are copyrighted images. So it is literally deriving a new image based on similarity to copyrighted images. Which is derivation, and derivative works are only allowed by copyright holders. (Under US copyright law)

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cancolak OP t1_j9oqprb wrote

Reply to comment by rubberbush in Stephen Wolfram on Chat GPT by cancolak

The article talks about how neural nets don’t play nice with loops, and connects that to the concept of computational irreducibility.

You say it’s not hard to imagine the net looping itself into some sort of awareness and agency. I agree, in fact that’s exactly my point. When humans see a machine talk in a very human way, it’s an incredibly reasonable mental step to think it will ultimately become more or less human. That sort of linear progression narrative is incredibly human. We look at life in exactly that way, it dominates our subjective experience.

I don’t think that’s what the machine thinks pr cares about though. Why would its supposed self-progress subscribe to human narratives? Maybe it has the temperament of a rock, and just stays put until picked up and thrown by one force another? I find that equally likely but doesn’t make for exciting human conversation.

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Gotisdabest t1_j9oq1c1 wrote

>So putting a barrier to entry will cause more pressure on an already difficult industry to be in?

Barrier to entry through profit? Even the extremely unqualified article you sent doesn't claim this is a barrier to entry. And what specific industry are you talking about?

>https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/government-revenue/

>That money is being spent elsewhere. The money you are receiving benefits from is from property taxes, gas tax, sin taxes, or other specific taxes like telephone tax. Sooo I backed up my claim and yet you have not.

Not only does this assume I'm American, this also seems to imply the ludicrous logic of the money going elsewhere meaning it does not contribute. If that money disappears, "elsewhere" as you put it will be where the money from other sources will be spent. Conversely, an increment will lead to an increase in benefits.

Not to mention that in a world where jobs start rapidly disappearing I'd be interested in how much income tax the government gets and how much consumer spending based taxation occurs. You only backed up a claim reliant on this bizzare idea that any government spends money like a ten year old.

>Back it up. Where and why do you think this?

I know this can be quite hard for you, but this is based on the simple logic of "high taxes decrease profit->need more profit->workers require money, increasing cost-> Invest in cheap ways to increase efficiency". Similar systems have been extremely effective in raising productivity and automation in Scandinavia, leading to a very high degree of economic and social mobility.

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dumpitdog t1_j9opp03 wrote

I agree but someone has to pay Caesar. The Chinese government or whatever government cannot function without public cash flow. This cash flow comes from taxes duties on produced and purchase products. We will literally be going back to the caves we don't figure out some way to fund or infrastructure or military and our government.

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rubberbush t1_j9opa0f wrote

Reply to comment by cancolak in Stephen Wolfram on Chat GPT by cancolak

>But it having wants and needs and desires and goals

I don't think it is too hard to imagine something like a 'continually looping' LLM producing it's own needs and desires. Its thoughts and desires would just gradually evolve from the starting prompt where the 'temperature' setting would effectively control how much 'free will' the machine has. I think the hardest part would be keeping the machine sane and preventing it from deviating too much into madness. May be we ourselves are just LLMs in a loop.

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gantork t1_j9op8qh wrote

Nah it's pretty dumb. A human made the image, the AI was the tool. The idea, the concept and the intention come from the human, the AI doesn't do anything if it's not prompted, it has no will.

It's the same as a camara. The camera generates 100% of the image yet we recognize that it's the human intention that counts, so photos are granted copyright. Even if you take an accidental photo you will still get copyright for it, even tho you did literally nothing more than pressing a button by mistake. Not treating generative AI in the same way is a stupid double standard.

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