Recent comments in /f/singularity

Carl_The_Sagan t1_j9pqp05 wrote

UBI generally addresses this but the issue may be how to fund it.

It makes sense to tax something if it creates a negative externalty, or a cost on society outside the market transaction. So if you buy a gallon of oil, theres a societal cost of burning it, which makes sense to tax.

So whats the cost of automation, maybe a general sense of dread, lack of job security, maybe security concerns. If there is something there, then I'd favor a tax, otherwise UBI ftw

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wren42 t1_j9pqens wrote

> Then when unemployment is up and people are desperate, the socialists can purpose a UBI

This is not a pleasant transition. Expect poverty, homelessness, starvation, high suicide rate.

And if you think UBI will save you, think again. You won't be affording luxuries on UBI. Capitalists won't be sharing the fruits of automation in some utopian wonderland. You'll be scrounging to survive while the rich live that life.

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phriot t1_j9ppu4c wrote

I don't like the way Kurzweil writes at all. I didn't really have trouble understanding any of his books that I've read (Age of Spiritual Machines, The Singularity is Near, and Fantastic Voyage), but I found them all to be tedious reads. Honestly, if you listen to a long-form interview with him, you'll probably get like 80%+ of what's in any of the books. What you'll miss out on is mostly his ideas around sex in the future, opinions that I could care less about.

That all said, if you want to make it through, the best thing you can probably do is to sit down and read it with an open web browser in front of you, and a notebook and pen beside you. It will take you quite a bit longer, but you start at Wikipedia with any term you don't understand, and keep working your way down with understanding until you don't care about the detail anymore. Writing stuff down will help you remember it and/or let you look up terms later, if you decide you'd rather just get the gist of any given section, first.

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MaterialDisplay8701 t1_j9pnsga wrote

I mean if dreams had just been invented as the result of thousands of years of human ingenuity, decades of explicit effort and with every sign that they'll see huge improvements over the next decade, I'm sure people would be at least a little interested in hearing about your dreams

Flooding /singularity may not be the best way to share them, though

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phriot t1_j9pmyej wrote

I'm all for infrastructure spending. But if when we get to a point where it's like "the overall economy is so productive due to automation, that we can pay essentially the same to have a person go pursue whatever passions they may have, or have them work on an infrastructure project that will get completed whether or not humans are involved," then why force people to dig ditches, just so we can give them "a job."

In the short term, sure. Maybe a jobs guarantee will be good for displaced data entry office worker drones. But if you want to get there by forcing a company to choose a human or efficiency and a huge tax bill, and then using the tax money from the companies that choose efficiency to tell the displaced workers "You can put up these solar panels, or get nothing," then I think you're hurting both the economy and the displaced workers.

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Iffykindofguy t1_j9pmfb1 wrote

Im not making anything up about you? youre just repeating fox news talking points. a)being a politician is a fulltime job unfortunately b) youre citing wikipedia (dumb idea alone) while also not reading because IT LITERALLY DOES SAY THAT ON HIS WIKIPEDIA:

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After graduating from college, Sanders returned to New York City, where he worked various jobs, including Head Start teacher, psychiatric aide, and carpenter.[19]

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders

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So yeah, Im not making up anything about you when I say you're an npc. You contradict your ownself lmao. Broken npc.

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