Don’t argue with me argue with the dictionary.

Art is a fucking concept. Literally impossible without other concepts like “emotion” and “free will”.

Art isn’t just the painting storing a snapshot. It’s the moment itself. Experiencing it.

lmao there is no overwhelming anything. another thread will get upvoted telling you guys to STFU. its an echo chamber. You guys are just selfish bullies who want to censor stuff that you don't like. Selfish as hell, you are the problem, you have always been the problem. Guys like you are terrible.

"Hey i want to censor something, oh you don't agree? Well YOU are the child!"

like stfu, cop. we don't take kindly to your directives, we don't take kindly to your censorship.

"Quantum computers are completely useless for AI."
Bold prediction, we'll see how it ages.
Can't say I'm anything close to an expert, but I do have masters CS, was a competitive programmer and am a professional programmer now with 10y of xp.

Your point is ridiculous. Okay, fine. Whatever. Art as a concept (*waves arms*) was never scarce. We'll go with your broad definition.

However, certain forms of art are absolutely scarce, have always been scarce, and now we're seeing the transition of the type of superficially impressive digital artwork from high scarcity to low scarcity.

Other kinds of art are still scarce: Handmade pots have a certain scarcity, performances, etc.

There’s gonna be something after transformers in the next couple years I can feel it

What don’t you get?

“Art” was always being created - we just don’t have a record of it. It was never scarce in the moment. It’s all around you.

What’s scarce is the medium people use to RECORD art.

It’s like my point keeps going right over your head.

An end to political corruption aided by a super anal AI audit bot that looks at every interaction and transaction of members of government, then just calls them out on thier bullshit. Why are you giving this contract to your brother? Why have you set up several layers of shell companies ultimately controlled by you that are registered in the British Virgin Islands? Why are you signing a contact to pay 1500% market value for paracetamol? I look forward to the world running cleaner.

>The medium is what made it scarce in the past.
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>Art was never scarce.

Which is it?

And if I want to see someone perform in person, the access to see this is limited. The person only performs one time, and there are only so many seats. So this is an example of scarcity in art.

When I say art was or is scarce, I mean that there are forms of art that show scarcity. If you want to define all expression as art, then yeah there's no scarcity. But that's obviously not what most people mean by art.

No it doesn’t. You don’t get it.

Art was never scarce. Anyone and everyone makes art. Your 7 yr old telling you about his dream - art.

Art boils down to creative expression. The medium is what made it scarce in the past. No paper for that kid to draw on. No pen for the person wanting to write a story.

The only difference is there is now a medium that allows near instant transmission of that expression.

Definition btw:

> the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination.

Hell, the person who designed your house created art.

Need neuromorphic hardware and spiking neural networks and quantum computers. Even if qubits double every two years, it will take a while. GPT is just static parameters. You need some way to constantly update them. Anyway LLM is one of thousands required systems. We don't have thousands of labs doing all the required projects. They are doing more or less the same. We are nowhere near that point.

intrepidhorror, that is laughable.

Of course art was scarce. Now certain kinds of art are not, and some still are. All art requires time, energy, or mediums to produce and access. And new art of higher quality requires more time, energy, or materials. For some forms of art, these resources are plentiful, and for others these resources are still lacking.

Now the cost of all these things has fallen for various kinds of art. More paints, more paper, more instruments, more photographs, more people hours, more computing power, more broadcasting, more storage, etc. But if you want to see somebody perform (dance/sing for example) or paint in person, that is an example of art that scarce. Original physical art works are also scarce. As well as digital art made more to spec.

yeah.. it's happening this year, I've got zero doubt about it.

Academia is not wisdom ...academia to some extent is engineered to make people more narrow minded , climb down your ivory tower , You just sound like an arrogant nihilist ..username checks out , Oblivious people are amazing because they can explore oblivion , one can harvest true wisdom ; mystery and astonishment is bountiful in the void .

My biggest expectations are "to become the machine". "Bodies" made of nanobots that can spwan at will to anything.

In the medium term, life extension, medical progress, new tools and improvement of almost all mathematical processes.

Yeah me too! Well put:) I just wanted to add, take any supplement for instance or take any medication for instance, it takes 3 to 4 weeks for that specific supplement/medicine to work for brain/mental health. This is what psychiatrists, homeopathic experts and more in these fields even say which I mentioned above.

Sometimes a medicine or a supplement doesn't work and that person has wasted so many weeks/months trying that combo desperately waiting for that combo to work. They waste money, time and effort. Maybe one day that combo will work than the next day that combo won't work and so goes on the puzzle which is super annoying.

So, I hope one day and I hope really soon, AGI can assist top notch researchers to tackle the issue of some medicines' and supplements not working at hundred percent equally for everyone. Neurological disorders, mental health disorders, psychiatrics disorders and more.

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Large Language Models are amazing, but they have massive, massive gaps compared to a true AGI. We still don’t have a good way of augmenting their memory units. But man are people trying at least. Toolformer is the latest paper I read that attacks this idea.

They fundamentally still struggle with common sense reasoning in a similar way a deep learning model in a car is struggling to bridge the gap in common sense reasoning. And we’ve hit a bit of a wall there. So to speak. We haven’t solved this well. More self attention layers and reinforcement learning guiding won’t do it. GPT4 will be impressive but 96 layers of transformers becoming 1000 of them or whatever still is just a bigger function approximation. Extrapolating when we solve that missing piece is still just guess work. That’s why I’m amazed when people say AGI will just get solved by 2030 because of an advancement in LLM’s

The people denying that these machines have even a very low level of intelligence are starting to sound like 19th Century racists.

I personally believe any responsive system is conscious to a degree, reflected by their ability to sense, compute and respond. The more complex and rich that space is, the more conscious the system is.

For example a light switch is conscious of its state, on and off, while the tokyo subway station is not as conscious as a cell, as it has fewer inputs, fewer actions and fewer responses, but a lot more conscious than the light switch.

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Art was never scarce. You’re just looking at specific mediums.

Mediums used to be scarce. Or I should say the mediums that can be stored and cataloged used to be scarce.

That's for ASI, but we won't reach AGI with just more compute

Yeah, unless there.is a massive human wide event like a nuclear war, massive deadly pandemic, etc

I was reading the linked article, and I opened the Bing sidebar to search for something, when I found that Bing had already (without prompting) provided a summary:

Welcome back! Here are some takeaways from this page.

• The author argues that GPT shows genuine understanding of human languages, not just parroting or lookup tables, and challenges the mainstream view that denies this possibility.
• GPT is able to follow instructions in different languages, even after being finetuned in English, which suggests that it has abstracted concepts from its training data and can map them across languages.
• The author criticizes the dismissive analogies used for AI systems like GPT, which he says are based on false security and ignorance, and urges people to change their minds in response to the surprising evidence of GPT’s capabilities.