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ReadRightRed99 t1_j2bvso6 wrote

Something that occurred to me is that usually we create hydrogen from … water. You can do it by different methods, electrolysis being a common one. So I’m afraid we might run into a hydrogen problem before we even get very far along.

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KidKilobyte t1_j2bvpp7 wrote

Water is incredibly common in the universe and easy to make from other oxygen and hydrogen containing compounds. Comets are essentially giant snowballs.

Which leads to a huge gripe of mine with the first episode of Voyager. How could advanced space fairing civilizations have been at odds over not having water???

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CrayonDelicacies t1_j2bvm4j wrote

I’ve been reading the expanse series and I’m a water treatment operator. This has raised my eyebrows a bit. If you’re talking about something like space station or asteroid located bases, the loss would occur through “gas-off” in a way. Gas-off is what we refer to as certain compounds going volatile and dissipating. You might be looking at something along the lines of steam escaping from somewhere. Rocket scientists probably have a different term.

Water should be nearly infinitely recyclable. But clean water? That’s the challenge.

Y’all can look up the Sparta Reuse Facility in West Monroe Louisiana. I used to work for the city, albeit on the other end of the water system producing fresh water. The SRF takes raw sewage, run off, storm water, all the dirty stuff, and processes it into clean water used in local industry. It is “potable”. Tastes like crap, but you can drink it. The point behind the project was to take some of the burden off the Sparta Aquifer here in Louisiana, and it’s done a phenomenal job.

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spaghoni t1_j2bv42p wrote

When I was a kid, I thought we'd be drinking and irrigating with desalinated ocean water by now. Maybe no one has figured out the best way to profit from it yet although I understand that Isreal has been using desalinated water for a couple of decades.

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s1ngular1ty2 t1_j2buukm wrote

Reply to comment by Codametal in Question by Psychological_Wheel2

We can't run out of water. You can make fresh water from sea water. There is zero chance we run out of water.

Not many places do this now because it's expensive but if we don't have a choice it will be done. It's still far cheaper than doing anything in space.

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ReadRightRed99 t1_j2bun3y wrote

Yes it is relatively uncomplicated to make water in a lab setting. I suppose it would be a matter of how much energy you could muster to create enough hydrogen to produce enough water to sustain a civilization. Of course once the water is created there are plenty of ways to recycle it.

But more practically, if we were to truly run out of water, we’re all screwed. The air we breath is laden with water vapor. Without it, it would be quite inhospitable. If we ran out of water, animals, plants and crops would desiccate and die faster than we could create water. Bacteria and microscopic life that is the underpinning of our entire planet’s ecosystem would rapidly dry up and perish. There’s no way we could produce enough to rehydrate the entire planet before life totally collapses.

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how_tall_is_imhotep t1_j2bu1di wrote

I’m not at all surprised that you get all of your knowledge of nuclear power from the Simpsons. That explains why you think that nuclear plants boiling water is some kind of secret that no one knows about (on the Simpsons, the cooling towers emit some kind of noxious smoke).

But no, real nuke plants are not like that. Please don’t talk as if you’ve been to one.

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Psychological_Wheel2 OP t1_j2btdaf wrote

I’m sorry that’s my bad I meant in a purely hypothetical manner, earlier today I read a passage from a friend of mines book and it mentions some alien civilization running out of water, and I couldn’t justify going to war over something so relatively “common” as in the components to make water are

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wokeupatapicnic t1_j2bsr06 wrote

Absolute 0 is unreachable, in the sense that it breaks the laws of quantum physics. It violates the uncertainty principle.

I realize that black holes violate a lot of fundamental ideas in physics, but the general attempt is to find rational ways to rectify those violations, not simply accept them. Hawking’s work was based on solving many of those discrepancies.

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