Recent comments in /f/space

KamikazeArchon t1_j8m1sni wrote

Reply to comment by Atypicalicious in Once manufacturing moves almost entirely into space and the workers want drugs, gambling and prostitution and wanted criminals on Earth can escape to space, the solar system away from gravity wells will become largely lawless. Who will do the policing and how? by [deleted]

"Professional criminals" as you're describing them virtually don't exist. They're a vanishingly small percentage.

Every criminal empire or organization of the kind you've described is heavily reliant on the rank-and-file, who barely get paid anything. You can't build a criminal organization that pays well; it simply does not work as a financial structure.

For every one high-rolling "mafioso" who can afford sports cars and penthouses, there are a hundred or a thousand street dealers and low-level thieves who probably make less than minimum wage.

The high-roller can maybe afford to go to space. The thousand street dealers cannot. And the high-roller, separated from the thousand street dealers supporting him, is just a guy in a fancy coat with a nice watch.

The kind of criminal enterprise you might get in space is white-collar criminality. Yakuza in space isn't likely, but Enron in space is.

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KamikazeArchon t1_j8m1d83 wrote

Reply to Once manufacturing moves almost entirely into space and the workers want drugs, gambling and prostitution and wanted criminals on Earth can escape to space, the solar system away from gravity wells will become largely lawless. Who will do the policing and how? by [deleted]

The kind of crime you're talking about is not really reduced by police. It's reduced by economic opportunities, social safety nets, and healthcare.

Based on what you've described in your comments, it seems you have a specific set of experiences with a low-support, high-crime subset of human society. We can certainly sympathize with that, but it is incorrect to presume that all human experience matches yours.

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Leviacule t1_j8m0unv wrote

Reply to comment by Atypicalicious in Once manufacturing moves almost entirely into space and the workers want drugs, gambling and prostitution and wanted criminals on Earth can escape to space, the solar system away from gravity wells will become largely lawless. Who will do the policing and how? by [deleted]

This is when you just give up trying to define others as criminals and accept that if you can't solve the suffering no matter how hard you try, then the suffering might as well just be accepted.

Who gives a fuck about drugs, and anything "slave like" will go unregulated like it does in the poorest of areas on earth.

I'd rather whatever economic system I participate in at that point in the future to not waste our resources fighting unwinnable battles.

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You_Yew_Ewe t1_j8lznxl wrote

Reply to comment by Atypicalicious in Once manufacturing moves almost entirely into space and the workers want drugs, gambling and prostitution and wanted criminals on Earth can escape to space, the solar system away from gravity wells will become largely lawless. Who will do the policing and how? by [deleted]

If you think that the situation in the Tenderloin or Skid Row is the typical state of things in the U.S. you either need to get out more or are not thinking very clearly.

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Atypicalicious t1_j8lzl9e wrote

Reply to comment by You_Yew_Ewe in Once manufacturing moves almost entirely into space and the workers want drugs, gambling and prostitution and wanted criminals on Earth can escape to space, the solar system away from gravity wells will become largely lawless. Who will do the policing and how? by [deleted]

You prove my point: it’s bad out there. I also live in a high crime area. Police don’t bother. I’m from Southside Chicago and saw whole project buildings be gang territory. And I’ve travelled quite a lot. I’m really sick of restating basic facts.

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JustSomeoneCurious t1_j8lz0ub wrote

Reply to comment by Atypicalicious in Once manufacturing moves almost entirely into space and the workers want drugs, gambling and prostitution and wanted criminals on Earth can escape to space, the solar system away from gravity wells will become largely lawless. Who will do the policing and how? by [deleted]

TL;DR - since infinite resources probably won't ever be a thing, space ships will still require ports of call, and will most likely operate under an extension of current maritime laws as agreed upon by whatever future collective of nations/corporations

agree and disagree - if you extend how ships at sea need to make port, ships in space will also have a similar need, unless space ships end up having a solution for infinite food/fuel/resources

In essence, whoever controls the the stations will most likely dictate/enforce the current or a variance of the existing maritime laws. Most likely, stations will be bankrolled by a collective of government entities, a la the ISS, or a corporation/collective performing the same function with massive tax breaks.

Criminal activity, similar to today's world, will be determined by what is considered illicit, and also constrained by technological advancements when we finally get there, but also dependent on the effectiveness of bribes/physical threats from corporations/criminal orgs.

Edit: spelling/grammar

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Ohsnapcanteven t1_j8lyo3f wrote

Reply to Once manufacturing moves almost entirely into space and the workers want drugs, gambling and prostitution and wanted criminals on Earth can escape to space, the solar system away from gravity wells will become largely lawless. Who will do the policing and how? by [deleted]

Didn’t Douglas Adams kinda address that? Like I imagine a still annoyingly bureaucratic overall system but large areas too difficult to police/monitor so maybe it’s up to each ship and what it encounters and/or each planet

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pig_valve t1_j8lykgb wrote

Reply to comment by Atypicalicious in Once manufacturing moves almost entirely into space and the workers want drugs, gambling and prostitution and wanted criminals on Earth can escape to space, the solar system away from gravity wells will become largely lawless. Who will do the policing and how? by [deleted]

I would submit that by the time we have this much material in space humanity will have evolved beyond crime. As mankind today looks at our behavior in Neanderthal days, in the incredibly far off future, they'll look back at us as impossibly barbaric.

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Atypicalicious t1_j8lyivr wrote

Reply to comment by aaronrules33 in Once manufacturing moves almost entirely into space and the workers want drugs, gambling and prostitution and wanted criminals on Earth can escape to space, the solar system away from gravity wells will become largely lawless. Who will do the policing and how? by [deleted]

This is weird, rich weirdos would get away from prying eyes like they do now. And anyone with money could go. Crime pays, we’re not talking about street people but professional criminals.

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johnnyblackhall t1_j8lyejn wrote

Reply to comment by Atypicalicious in Once manufacturing moves almost entirely into space and the workers want drugs, gambling and prostitution and wanted criminals on Earth can escape to space, the solar system away from gravity wells will become largely lawless. Who will do the policing and how? by [deleted]

That's because poverty is widespread, the police is either corrupt or has it's hands tied because of our weak modern sensibilities or both. Be ruthless towards corruption and be harder on crime. Inspire fear in the hearts of those who would break the law while simultaneously reducing poverty through job creation, education and social services. The Singapore model essentially. Problem will be massively reduced. Same goes for space

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You_Yew_Ewe t1_j8lycng wrote

Reply to comment by Atypicalicious in Once manufacturing moves almost entirely into space and the workers want drugs, gambling and prostitution and wanted criminals on Earth can escape to space, the solar system away from gravity wells will become largely lawless. Who will do the policing and how? by [deleted]

What country do you live in?

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I live in the U.S.

I live in a "high crime" neighborhood in the U.S. in fact.

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I have travelled to third world countries where a *lot* more crime happens. And even there people don't just "let crime happen", there are laws and police and it's still a lot more functional than very few places that actually have no functional police force (Haiti is an example right now.)

And even compared to them my high crime neighborhood is highly ordered. Have you traveled much? Because if you live in a first world country and you think it is lawless, and people just let crime happen, you are in for a real shock at how bad things can get. If you live anywhere at U.S. levels of crime or better, you have it really good.

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Atypicalicious t1_j8lycie wrote

Reply to Once manufacturing moves almost entirely into space and the workers want drugs, gambling and prostitution and wanted criminals on Earth can escape to space, the solar system away from gravity wells will become largely lawless. Who will do the policing and how? by [deleted]

You guys don’t seem to realize how much of American policing is “protect the white people”. The rest of us aren’t nearly that safe and the police themselves kill us and brutalize us for any reason. Have you somehow not watched news in the last decade or so?

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