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its not impossible, just not enough money is being spent of research. We could have a manned mars mission in 5 years with enough money

I disagree, I dont think a "social structure different and a bit more politically advanced" will happen unless we find ourselves in space first, and develop calendars, time, and laws that work for an environment that doesn't utilize these things. This may come about in a lunar colony, the likes of what we're seeing with the moonbase space race with artemis. we may not see anything immediate but I think this is the recipe. I think going to the moon, for residency and work with regular trips to Mars the way we treated the moon would be significant enough for the next century to begin making their way to other planets.

You think that the western world, you know, the ones leading the space race Departament, didn't evolve socially that much in comparison to when... check notes... we had the inquisition; absolute monarchy; no worker laws; no freedom of speech; no human rights; the entire industry of human slavery; propertied woman; etc etc etc

India’s space program is pretty amazing, comparing them to Blue Origin is an insult

Technology development yes. Social development? Take a good hard look around. I have faith in the tech and the science. I have no faith in the human component. We haven't kept pace with our technical development.

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Just consider. There are about 2500 billionaires in the world. About 1 million millionaires. And then there 9 billion of the rest of us. Does this seem sensible to you from the macro perspective? Is this a sensible allocation of human wealth?

It's not the flashy things people want, but drones and robots. There is so very much more we can do. What we've done on Mars is amazing. Do more of that.

I know people want manned travel but that is not only impractical, it may always be impractical.

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They colonized by using disease and war. You think war in the most inimical environment around is gonna be cheap?

There's also 500 years of development between us and the Europeans that got to America

Have faith in humanity

By tinfoil hat you mean the most likely reason.

Considering their record is worse then India’s space program at this point.

Manufacturing in orbit may be a better place to start. Microgravity is a big deal for 3D printing. Basically if the only place you can make something is in friggin space, the value of that thing will be huge.

There is tremendous difference between colonizing another terrestrial continent and colonizing space.

I thought they'd do this launch a year ago

It all depends on cost. If Starship works as expected (or something like it), you will see activity in space explode. It is the 21st century version of the transcontinental railroad.

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i love it i love how outlandish this is

its not boring

Goal for 2200 is to have all factory production robotized and on moon and mars

2050 is too close, maximum what could happen - mission to moon.

Mars manned mission is impossible untill 2100 because of no science on human protection against radiation in far space orbits

I don't see a business case for Moon or Mars colonies.

Astroid mining only makes sense if you are supporting some other off-Earth business.

Telecom will likely swarm LOE, but venture capital is likely going to be tight for then next 20 years + with the retirement of the Babey Boomers so that is hard to say.

If micro-G industry or orbital power ever become viable then things will change but that is a big if.

Completely disagree.

Europeans had waaaaay more backwards societal structures and tech. Didn't stop them from colonizing the Americas.

For reaching alpha centauri in 15.000 years instead of 18.000?

This is absolutely my opinion as well. Truly taking the next step is being held back more by our society than our science.

I think a permanent presence around the Moon is a good place to start.

With the Baby Boomers retiring and deglobalization, venture capital is already starting to dry up.