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You mean when Ukrainian soldiers broke the user agreement of Starlink by using it to guide bombs instead of communication?

I am answering it well. I actually would prefer you learn. You are asking a question based on a provably wrong assumption. It’s non-sensical. A hypothetical at best.

I’m not being emotional about it. I am well aware how comforting faith can be and would never argue against someone’s faith. But if you say the sky is pink, I can argue that a spectrometer pointed at the sky will tell you otherwise. The sky isn’t pink and the earth is much older than 3.5B years (the earliest dated rock samples on the Earth’s surface) and the universe is older than 13.7B years (the farthest/oldest type 1A supernova detected).

So any statement asking “if we assume A, can B be true” is no, not when A cannot be true. This is a valid answer.

No, not shallow, but it is heavy with emotion and thus bias. I agree with you, I don't believe a god, or the God, created light waves in transit of an event that never happened, such as a type 1a supernova, I think the star truly did explode. The problem is you are not answering my specific question

You lost me at “honest question”. Take this young earth creationist bullshit to another subreddit and let us talk about actual science.

Not really. Dark Matter and dark energy are hypothetical forms of matter and energy that we assume must exist to make the universe function the way it is.

IMO (not an educated explanation) either we lack the ability and understanding to explain where these forms of matter and energy come from or where they are; or there is some underlying mechanics with gravity and matter that we just don't understand that causes dark energy and matter.

Since these are hypothetical terms that "should exist", even saying god did it (sorry Richard Dawkins) doesn't actually explain anything or make sense. Like what exactly did god do? My point is, even if we assume an omnipotent being did it all, it doesn't explain anything other than "miracles". Nothing falls into place assuming god did it. What we need to do is figure out exactly where these hypotheticals are, how they exist and hopefully use that knowledge to create a deeper unified field theory.

For thousands and thousands of years the mysteries of the universe could only be explained with god. Now, as we unravel the universe, people have the power to answer questions that once seemed divine. That's the power of humanity.

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God did.

And because this universe is magic and there are no rules, it doesn't have to make sense.

One thing I know (on a very surface level only) is that looking into deeper space than ever before we can test our hypotheses about what the very early universe looked like. The early images we got (last summer?) were just calibration based on what we had already observed. One cool thing about NASA is that you can read a lot about their missions.

https://blogs.nasa.gov/webb/

Has general info and a bunch of links to other stuff.

C'mon now, everyone knows the standard unit of measurement is bananas

We ONLY use overweight corgis in my part of the world. Would that affect the equation at all?

If you want a serious answer, here:

We know the speed of light is constant. We know the luminosity of certain stellar masses is constant (specifically type 1A supernova). Since light intensity decreases proportionally to the square of the distance, we can calculate exactly how far away they are. And since we know both how far away they are and the speed of light, we know how long ago that light left that type 1A supernova. And guess what, it’s a lot longer than 6,000 years ago.

And before you hand wave and say “well maybe those things aren’t constant”, that would disagree with Einstein’s field equations which are among the most robust scientific theories in history — every test has proven them. Every one. And any hand waving that contradicts that contradicts every experimental observation and does so without any evidentiary support.

So it’s not worth delving into your conclusions based upon a provably incorrect assumption of the age of the universe. You’re asking “let’s assume 2+2=3”. It’s a non-starter.

That’s my serious answer. Is it shallow?

p.s. I’m disappointed you deleted your post (out of frustration perhaps) without reading any well argued rebuttals. I hope you think about this response before dismissing it.

Smh you bible thumpers are everywhere these days you're delusional if you believe that the universe is 6000 years old when the planet itself is nearly 14 billion years old making the universe likely 10s of billions if not trillions of years old we don't actually know how old the universe is unlike some people in the comments thinking we do and we likely won't know for a few hundred years nor will we probably be able to put an exact date on creation because we don't know how large the universe really is nor do we know exactly where in space did the universe start from the universe is always expanding and everything seems to be moving in one direction so the likelihood of us ever discovering the beginning is very low not impossible just unlikely

Also dark matter likely doesn't exist tbh but just because we haven't found it doesn't mean it doesn't however antimatter is real and disintegrates/cancels out/destroys matter but it can also pass through solid matter like how it constantly flows through us throughout our lives

Oh and fyi stop tryna discredit science with your fairytale stories the bible is completely made up sure there probably is a god but we'll never know for sure and why would he ne considered benevolent and supposedly care about what happens to us when millions of innocent people die regularly every year the quote on quote gods plan is just y'alls way of ignoring the harsh reality of our world

Itd be cool if another species found it and interacted with it. Might be a bad thing to have that happen but it'd reaffirm something is out there.

Schrodinger's Starlink: simultaneously a buggy POS that's much too expensive and fails if you look at it meanly...but also a robust communications network that is saving Ukraine and should be nationalized because Musk might turn it off.

A hypothesis that could explain literally anything explains nothing. No matter how crazy the universe is, it’s always within the capabilities of an omnipotent being because that’s the definition of omnipotent. You don’t even need a being; you can just say it’s all magic. But you can say that about anything you don’t yet understand no matter what it is. There is no possible way the universe could be that you couldn’t explain by saying it’s magic. That makes the explanation meaningless.

Its a warning from the universe for texas to chill the fuck out

Thank you for the first respectful objective response

You do understand that doesn't make sense, right? Like. You're asking for physical proof that everything wasn't created instantly, already "matured". Where matured means old, but created old? Also I think you don't get what dark matter is either. Why do you think without it things would be flung away?? It's just matter that interacts with gravity and not light (as I understand). They have found galaxies full of it and they have found galaxies with little to none. I'm not trying to be rude here, but I honestly think you're asking questions without understanding what you're asking well enough to actually phrase it. You're looking for something that isn't there, unless you throw out everything this sub has ever talked about. You CAN believe in God and the universe expanding! But, you CANNOT ask us to come up with proof for something that has none. We can point you in the direction for how old the universe actually is and theories for what dark matter and dark energy is, but we can not show you proof for an already matured universe that was popped into existence 6000 years ago.

I think that assumes the Galaxy formation was God’s design, or maybe something much denser and he just spun it to begin scattering stars. But that would run up against all of the irregular shaped galaxies that do not take this form, or which have had events happen that take longer than 6,000 years.

Things like collisions that tear apart galaxies and reform them into new shapes. This requires a gravity interaction, and stars that were just slowly moving outward at a pace of {this far}/6000 years would just scatter like pool balls. Or more likely, nothing would happen at all, because galaxies are mostly empty space. In a galactic collision, most of the stars just pass by each other without contact. Nothing to stop the initial outward fling.

If we accept gravity is a force pulling things together, and that these stars have an initial outward momentum that is working against it, we have to assume the outward momentum is much stronger than gravity to keep the normal galaxies from collapsing. But gravity has to be stronger than the outward momentum to recombine collided galaxies into different shapes.

From my other answer, you can see how absurd I think the post is. However, I will say that time is the one thing that is relative to a person’s framework! So indeed, if God exists in a ginormous gravity well, what passes for His day may well be billions of years to us outside of it. Because gravity doesn’t just warp space, it warps time as well! 🍻

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Thank you I really appreciate that

What are those assumptions based on?