Lol, like I said: politics ... and ...

Tricky Dicky despised his political opposition and ran a smear campaign out of the Whitehouse involving other government agencies. I was a kid but I still love the fact that he had to resign, it was great to watch on TV!

I love the artemis program, but this doesn't sit well with me. The guy is 93 and dealing with a lot. It feels weird to have him do any stuff like this.

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Yeah I think you have something there. I don't know if you've seen that show on Apple TV but that's part of the basis of it that the Soviets actually got there first.

Given how valuable everything from the space program produced it's a shame that we let some ignorant politicians say oh we're launching all that money into space when every penny was spent on the ground.

As I've said elsewhere the second somebody gets a successful mining operation going in space or build some sort of orbiting factory the race will be on again and it won't be just governments this time. At this point it's not only governments at this time

It wasn't accepted by a lot of people at NASA. I keep telling you my grandfather brought me all that stuff from the Huntsville rocket center, why do you think he had all that stuff?

It's not what von Braun envisioned it was an orbiter it was not a space station

You know anything about the dry centaur project? That was an alternative floated during the space shuttle years and also never got off of the ground.

Do you have money on getting me to change your mind is somehow your life goal to convince me and everyone else that Skylab was some sort of space station when it was nothing more than an orbiter. An aircraft carrier could be called a city on the ocean but it's not.

NASA for whatever reason be it public opinion, or political apathy lost its vision Skylab was not a space station it was an orbiter, not much better than a porta John

Venus is brighter and closer to the horizon

Yes, but it was a space station. If you read the full conversation you’ll see the user doesn’t believe anything flown yet qualifies as a space station.

The Apollo program got cut short out of SPITE. Richard Nixon absolutely hated John F. Kennedy with every fiber of his being and canceling Apollo was about taking the one single shot he could take at a dead man's legacy as soon as the situation allowed.

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Just some guys are finishing a run ,reaching the middle of the galaxy

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>It was literally an orbiting space station

No, what he's saying is true. The original plan was much different and was a far more complete station, instead they made the equivalent of making a boat out of pieces of plastic.

All they did was hollow out the second stage of a Saturn V, slap some solar panels on it and call it a day. And it didn't even work well, the Solar panels couldn't extend fully, and parts of it got damaged during launch which lead to it operating way hotter than it should have.

It was an underbudgeted mess held together by ductape, built from the scraps of the cancelled Apollo 18, 19 and 20 missions.

the old inhabitants of our galaxy finally getting to the exit

Rather spry for an old planet. Some even consider her 'hot'. Her old hubby Mars hasn't aged half as well.

Because the whole point was to rub it on the Soviet Union's faces. When they realized the Soviet Union couldn't get to the Moon, they just sliced the budget and stopped production of the Saturn V.

If the Soviet N1 had worked, the space race would have probably kept going.

Yeah, i've gotten too used to projects being cancelled when a new president comes in. TBH I didnt even expect Artemis 1 to happen

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It looks like that old car Elon sent into space!😂

one way i like to describe it is that technology goes through cliffs and plateaus of development and adoption

when a new technology is introduced it quickly develops at insane speed until it reaches a point were the development slows down then after that plateau is hit it hits another cliff of adoption in which the technology goes from being barely available and expensive to propagate all over the world, rinse and repeat new developments take time to reach the market but once they do they do at warp speed and it a technology is in quick development and quick adoption like cellphones and computers for example you have constant changes and adoptions until the entire technological landscape looks completly diferent from just a couple of years ago

AI and space technology are two realms of technological development and adoption that i think will be the focus for the next 20 to 30 years if not more until we reach the limits of either one of them and the development slows down for a while, this usually happens but its not noticeable because when some technology reaches its peak we usually develop another one that quickly keeps the pace of development, usually a technology that utilizes all of that developed technolgy to progress even further (for example computing technology is already hitting its limit, we have nearly reached the end of moores law but 30 years of technological progression means that modern computers are powerful enough to now power this AI and reusable rocket revolution that we are living right now)

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Artemis isn't going to be using Starship for launch any time soon, integrating it into the program would be a massive effort.