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PhotonicSymmetry t1_jad272c wrote

I agree with your points OP. I think over the long term, the primary place of human habitation is going to be in orbital habitats (particularly O'Neill cylinders). However, Callisto is as you say one of the strongest candidates for a place for human habitation in the solar system - if not the strongest.

Callisto as the primary hub of the Jovian system seems like the most likely outcome. I think over the medium to long term, the Jovian system becomes the largest economy in the solar system - exporting tons of raw resources to other settlements across both the inner and outer solar system. It will likely get overtaken by Neptune eventually, but Callisto as THE economic juggernaut of the solar system for a period at least is not at all far fetched.

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ferrel_hadley t1_jad0qqb wrote

Jet engines mix the incoming air in a flow that feeds into the burning and compression for thrust. This loses efficiency quickly as you go past Mach2. Rockets use a combustion chamber that is sealed off and has a steady and controlled inflow of oxidiser that is mixed in an injector plate.

They are two very different processes. The additional weight to have different engines means you do not gain in terms of mass.

Super complex systems that can burn both ways are on drawing boards. And have been on drawing boards for 70s years.

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triffid_hunter t1_jacztal wrote

Not enough air, and it's full of nitrogen.

LOX is 1141g/L at its condensation point (~54K) and I think rockets make it even colder to increase the density a bit higher, while atmospheric air is only ~1.3g/L.

Compressing it at ~1000:1 would take some pretty epic equipment, and then it'd be way too hot.

Even if you somehow manage to sort that out while still having a launch TWR > 1, air is still only ~19% oxygen or so, meaning the fuel wouldn't be able to burn effectively.

Furthermore, the atmosphere gets even thinner within a few dozen seconds of lift-off, so you'd still need to carry oxidizer anyway - and the little bit extra it takes to get up to that point is far lighter and simpler than having the rocket itself run on atmospheric air for half a minute.

It's much more sensible to process it as much as possible on the ground, and load LOX into the rocket.

Having said that, companies that strap their small rockets to aeroplanes are technically already using atmospheric air for that phase of the flight - but the type of engine required is radically different, and those rockets have to be relatively tiny because aeroplanes can only carry so much mass.

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PansexualEmoSwan t1_jacyxsi wrote

Also not a physicist, but it seems to me like a lot of the models and terms we use to describe space and gravity assume a two dimensional plane of space for the ease of visualization. I get the impression that this often has the side effect of confusing the relationships between things like light, space, and gravity.

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