Yeah, sorry, that's just not how it works. It's not misleading to call something that doesn't interact with electromagnetism, and thus light, "dark", and it's not misleading to call something that is acting like matter "matter". Whatever hangups you have about these words are really on you. It's not even close to misleading, and even when the short terms given to complex ideas are "misleading", it still doesn't make them manipulative. Things catch on, and once that happens, it isn't getting undone. That's not a conspiracy to manipulate you.

They want my money for a ground based solution not a station based solution. What they purpose is wasteful

Its travelling at almost 30.000 km/h and at a height of 400km.

If you reduce its speed, it just falls to the ground, if you just reduce height, it burns up.

So unless you have some sci fi anti-gravity tech, its just impossible to bring it back.

And if its kept in space there's the risk of it crashing with something and becoming a huge swarm of junk.

Its sad to see it go, but deorbiting it is the safest thing.

No matter, the next one will be bigger and better.

Glad to see you're onboard with basically what the plan will turn out to be, not sure why you were so resistant to the idea.

Use a cargo mission with a modified upper stage, grab it with Canada arm, and attach to station, the crew lander can carry extra fuel going up and refill before evac. Not exactly this but something similar and simpler.

Nah, thats just going to be used in conjuction with Lunar missions.

Besides, it would be a huge waste of money to put our "main" space station orbiting the Moon since the requirements to get people there would go from a medium sized rocket like the Falcon 9 to a super heavy lift one like the SLS.

Each crew transfer would cost 2-3 billion dollars, which is absurd.

That doesn't mean any scientific model is correct. I can make a model with gravitons to explain gravity, it doesn't mean they exist. Same with dark matter.

So you're proposing they just build a propulsion system on the station as a DIY project?

The whole purpose of this is to build a system that works reliably. And one can be developed, but not for zero dollars. Very likely this will end up being a variant of a cargo spacecraft (Cygnus or Dragon) optimized for propulsion. None of those vehicles have enough thrust to do the job in one go right now, the station weighs 400 tonnes after all.

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yes, and so far no explanatory models for dark matter have been successful. Including dark matter as a parameter to match observed data is not the same thing.

I don't know why you put so much stress on it, I was not in any way arguing or diminishing inconsistencies, I realize how they are very important.

I was arguing dark matter and dark energy are confusing and ultimately manipulative terms. Claiming inconsistency exists is one thing, claiming dark matter* exists is another. It would be like naming it "dark overlords" and claiming dark overlords now exist, without repeating all the time that there are no actual overlords, it's just a label.

If only there was a crew to fit the station with such a system and constantly docking resupply missions to draw fuel from, if only.

Of course it is manipulative. Just like Tesla's "Full Self Driving" which is not fully self driving is manipulative. Words have meanings and contexts of their own, which was defined way before me, or the guy who coined Dark Matter, which is neither dark nor matter. Inventing context where black means white and claiming it's not confusing (and ultimately manipulative) is ridiculous.

By 2030, I think Starship is going to change the game anyways. Two starships docked together as a station is doable for sure.

It just developed over time as a way for the film maker to portray weightlessness.

Literally all scientific models are made up to match observations. That's how the scientific method works.

I’m really good at getting into orbit in KSP, getting the Kerbals back alive however…

Yes, that will for sure happen, but in order for it to happen safely we need something with a lot of propulsive capability. The original plan was to use 3 Progress vehicles, but that puts Russia in the critical path.

sir bud dude, dark matter is a numerical correction to GR to match observed gravitation in galaxies, so he says "apart from" because it would be absurd to suggest that gravitational observations are direct evidence of dark matter

First off, SVB wasn't "bailed out". SVB has always had plenty of assets to cover deposits, they just fucked up their liquidity and management and caused a bank run. The FDIC stepped in and is going to make sure it's run properly, but realistically there won't end up being a single dollar of tax payer funds that goes into SVB for a "bail out".

Regardless, that is mostly besides the point. Yes, there should be a larger commitment to ongoing space station operations. Unfortunately, the way these things work is with specific projects and there hasn't yet been an "ISS 2" project that has been able to congeal political support. There is both half-assed commitment to next generation fully commercial stations and also to the Lunar Gateway, but these are not the same things. For Congress something like Lunar Gateway seems like a perfect replacement, it's a sink for federal aerospace dollars and it allows for international cooperation, but operationally it's apples and oranges.

I didn't even think about this but it makes so much sense now! Thanks for the explanation

By the way, do not ever ask your partner for a "deorbit tug" in bed.

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"apart from its gravitational effects" is a pretty huge thing to just ignore like that, bud.