Here is an article without a paywall. It lists the council votes, too.

"Three councilmembers — Monica Horton, Criag Hosmer, and Mike Schilling — remained OPPOSED to the project. Councilwoman Heather Hardinger was not present for the vote"

Also, it was proposed that the city put up a median, but I don't think it's happening. If it does, the city has to pay for it.

One last note:

"Councilman Schilling said he fears the "Glenstone-ification" of that primarily residential stretch of Sunshine Street."

Hey look! A thoughtful, comprehensive response!

Again, I'm not trying to argue for this particular project. But when the same reasons get trotted out for the opposition to every single development project, often immediately after mourning the lack of mixed-use development, it gets old.

Not saying you did that here, it's just the majority of the arguments I see.

https://www.ky3.com/2023/01/10/springfield-city-council-approves-permit-allow-7-brew-location-e-sunshine/ What changes is the city is now paying for a median :(

Edit: I'm not sure the median will happen. But it's on the city's dime if it does.

This is harvie https://www.harvie.farm

I use the location on Battlefield. Never had to wait more than a week.

I'm all for mixed-use development. In fact, I think the spot is great for a coffee shop. The issue for me, as well as the zoning commissioners and the majority of the surrounding neighborhood, is the drive-thru. Specifically, it's a very large drive-thru. We have already seen chic fil a's drive-thru cause congestion and accidents just down the road. The lot's size and location (across from an elementary school) just can't accommodate it. That's why it had a zoning restriction on it to begin with. A coffee shop or any other business without a drive-thru could have used the land without having to push it through countless zoning and council meetings. In the current case, the shop won't benefit and integrate with the actual community that will live around it. It's important to think about development in terms of placemaking. In other words, are we developing places we want to spend time in? Or are we developing disparate, quick destinations that you simply drive to and leave (drive-thru). That said, I understand that we don't attract a lot of fitting projects, so it feels like we are too picky and should settle for anything that feels like it could benefit the local economy even a little. However, these choices tend to haunt us when they become trends. And once the quick spurt it has on the economy tires out, the city still has to keep up with the surrounding infrastructure... and what are we left with? A chain drive-thru that employs a handful of people and makes it even harder for parents to walk their children to school?

Regardless of who is in the wrong here and how wrong they are, this is the potential downside of being extremely online like Patrick Nett has been for the last 3 years.

I fill a novo smokr x or some such thing. the coils are pods that ya fill with nic salts. i buy the fifty mg bottles usually a twin pack lasts me eight weets. three coils lasts about that long if a coil in the pack aint a dud.

tbh starbucks is way better than 7brew. but the best coffee shops imo are roots, kingdom, and big momma’s coffee.

Sadly, I know. I also belong to heart of the Westside.

How did the council vote? Can’t read due to pay wall. Who voted yes and who voted no?

THAT TOO

i make my own at home lmao

Again, I'm not arguing in favor of this project. It just doesn't matter where or what the project is. Just look at the Grant Avenue proposal backlash.

I actively avoid sunshine at all hours of the day save for nighttime, I guess if you’re used to the congestion it may not be terrible but coming from other sides of town it’s a shitshow

Between chik-fil-a, Starbucks, canes, bass pro, parkview high school down the road, and all the other businesses? There’s no argument you could make in favor of putting more in this area outside of “I want coffee” that would make any sense. There’s plenty of other spots in town that would be able to better handle the extra traffic than an already-congested area

I get it’s probably their “thing” to be friendly and social but every time I go there I swear one of the girls is practically inside of my car talking my ear off. Like actually inside my driver window, leaning on my car door and all

It’s not bad drinks but not good enough to be worth going through that painful interaction

In his original post, family did reach out to Nett and followed up, as well as other commenters sharing the parents’ Facebook pages. Nett replied back to family and acknowledged their efforts, and communicated that he will be reaching out to them (screenshots linked)

https://imgur.io/a/7tDY31h

I'm not even particularly in favor of this project, but it feels like literally every proposal put forth is met with heaps of criticisms from this sub, from the Grant Ave parkway stuff to the unused space in Galloway to the National and Sunshine lots that aren't suitable in the slightest for housing anymore.

With the economic system we live in (which I'm not in favor of either, in the least) if a city isn't growing, it's dying. At the very least, I know I don't want to live in a dying city. But if all development stops, like it seems some here would prefer, that's where we'll be headed.

Edit: also, what negatives are you talking about? Increased congestion is about the only one I can think of, and even then Sunshine and Campbell is only really bad around 8am and 5 pm. The majority of the rest of the day it's fine.

I read that the owners were using the fact that Neighbor's Mill closed and heavily insinuating that the reason was they don't have a drive thru.

I have been banging the second Target location drum for a lonnnnngggg time. It's ridic there isn't one in Ozark/Nixa and at least another in SGF.

Typically I'm pretty anti-NIMBY, but development for the sake of development is also un-wise.

Outside of the tax revenue and a handful of jobs, what benefits will a coffee shop in this specific location provide that will offset the large number of negatives that it will bring?

Dude, it was $39. Everything else was from him...Let's not call him Lucifer just yet.

I have nothing against 7 Brew, and I get they're probably filling a legit want. It's a little dispointing in a town with so many great local places, especially coffee shops, to see another chain put another spot in. Not hating just wish we could have seen that gap filled by something local (even if chains add jobs for locals).

But I get the drive through concept is different than what we've seen. Would have been cool if Dancing Mule, Travelers, Black Lab or any of those other staples filled that niche.

Yeah no for sure

If only we could get them to move it from this already extremely congested area to adjacent to the nice spacious shopping center where the Whataburger is going in on West sunshine just past Bypass. Have them put a Target in that big empty unused field next to it while they're at it. I'm tired of going to the SE side of town for things, lol. I'm sure they'd get plenty of business from all the basic white bitches down the road in Republic and my lame middle-aged fat-dad-ass would be right there with em.