This is the most logical solution I’ve seen yet. I would add to it, requiring a minimum of $100k liability insurance.

Dahmer isn’t the problem! There are more small-scale murderers than serial killers, check the statistics. Dahmer had parents who should’ve taught him right from wrong. He wasn’t properly trained, that’s the real problem. If his parents had just spent more time with him, or took him to the mall for socialization, he would’ve never murdered all those people. Sure, there were probably warning signs but it’s not his fault, he wasn’t trained.

Alright, look. Are you prepared to go over to FedMed, take home a convicted murderer, and properly train them because they’re good boys who deserve a chance? It’s okay, we can castrate/vaccinate/license them. That’s enough for you to let them around your family, right?

What if I fostered a murderer? Can I bring him to the park, socialization is very important to his rehabilitation. You trust that I trained him, right? Because I’m an expert. The warden I got him from trusts me to train this murderer, so we’re good, right?

Outlawing/cracking down on backyard breeding operations would be a good start. I’m not suggesting anybody’s pet be taken from them. I’m sure there’s plenty of responsible owners with well-behaved pits; that isn’t the majority though. But the sheer amount of pit bulls in animal shelters, pit mauling articles, and people lying about having said breed on paperwork signifies that we need to stop making so many of these violent, uncontrollable dogs.

You’re the one making the claim. You present the evidence. What is the human death rate per 1,000 pit bulls? Surely the evidence is out there somewhere. “Many” isn’t a useful statistic.

Ok, let’s be fair here. A miniature schnauzer isn’t going to rip someone’s throat out. People want to make this a binary problem (bad breed vs. bad owners) but honestly, it’s both. Plus irresponsible breeders, lax laws, breed ignorance, and more.

You’re talking about thousands of dogs, the majority of which are people’s pets. Are you really suggesting that all pits and pit mixes be taken from their owners, rounded up and…what? What exactly are you suggesting be done with them?

I agree it’s a problem, but a ban doesn’t seem like an effective solution.

“Raw instincts” to do what? There are humans with raw instincts to harm others and we keep them locked up or we execute them. Do you believe serial killers with raw instincts are salvageable with training? Can a murderer coexist with us if we castrate, vaccinate, license, and train them? I believe some could be, a small percentage might be allowed into society with rigorous, highly-focused mental treatment. But there are, without debate, a percentage of those with “raw instincts” who will never qualify to share our space. That is the reality for humans with “raw instincts”.

Why is a dog, a single particular breed with the same raw instincts—murder—given more concession?

I am one person and I am relating my personal experience. But you have also shown that you have zero issue with citing biased sources but balk when given actual studies from experts on dog behavior.

I already know I won't change your mind and I'm not trying to. All I am hoping is that someone who isn't as close minded will look at the actual information I've shared and get a little wiser about this issue.

You have a wonderful evening.

Ah yes, because one person’s experience and anecdotal evidence is totally more reliable than statistics

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I'm not an expert. I just have a lot of experience with dogs of all kinds of breeds. And I have never seen a vicious dog that didn't have a stupid owner.

Can't upvote this enough

Sorry, dog expert. I’m done arguing with you. Statistics prove that you are wrong, pitbulls are an inherently violent breed with a strong tendency to seriously injure people. Bye bye nutter!

I work around them every day. Never had an issue. Even when I volunteered at a kennel, never had an issue. My grandpa had one for 18 years, and she was a giant sweetheart.

Oh dear… this is embarrassing for you. You’re slamming someone else for not knowing anything about dogs, yet you claim that pit bulls were nanny dogs. Big yikes.

THIS IS A MYTH, started by Staffie breeder Lillian Rant in 1971 to distance the dogs from their fighting heritage. She called them “nursemaid” dogs. Check for any historical mention of “nanny dog” prior to 1971. You won’t find it. (Note: random Google blogs don’t count)

Please stop spreading this myth. It’s getting children killed. Every time you share this myth, you have the blood of dead children on your hands.

I’m going to share the pit bull EXPERTS that have publicly stated that pit bulls were NEVER nanny dogs. If pro-pit experts are saying this, please listen.

1. The Pit Bull Advocates of America- It’s NOT All How They Are Raised/Nanny Dog Myth

2. The Pit Bull Federation of South Africa

3. Gudwulf’s Pit Bull Rescue

4. Pit Bull Organization Bad Rap

5. Ned Hardy Organization

As far as the PBFSA and Gudwulf’s; just visit their page and search the word “nanny” and you’ll find the info you need.

I’m begging you… please don’t ever spread this myth again.

Even if they ever were nanny dogs; the amount of horrid back yard breeding and number of dogs used for fighting would certainly not make that UNtrue today (they weren’t)… they kill and catastrophically injure more children every year than all other breeds combined.

Just THIS LAST WEEKEND PIT BULLS SCALPED TWO CHILDREN that were playing in their own neighborhoods.

11 year old Justin, GA, pulled off his bike and scalped by 3 bully breeds

7 Year old girl scalped and killed as she played in her own yard

This past October, American Bullies killed BOTH of a family’s children, age 2 and 5 months old. The family had owned the dogs for 8 years with zero incidents.

Please, please stop the myth.

Ah, the dog hater Colleen Lynn and her fake studies to get donations. You should do better research.

https://adbadog.com/truth-behind-dogsbite-org/

"The conclusion of this science based study (not a conclusion based on the former’s wishful thinking) demonstrates that breed is not a contributing factor in dog bite fatalities, and breed specific legislation is not the solution for eliminating dog bite fatalities."

Maybe you should talk to people that actually know dogs, rather than seeking out sensationalized headlines and studies from lawyers?

Just a thought.

Pit Bulls maul, hospitalize and kill at 10 times the rate of all other breeds combined. Your "no matter what breed" dissembly is boilerplate nanny dog bullshit.

With a ban, there's nothing to "monitor". Breed is reported, police & animal control show up, take the mutt and send it to eternity. Owner is fined + costs. The end.

here’s another, scroll down. another. and one more! These are all sources not from an injury lawyer. Your point?

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And have you ever heard of a biased study? Maybe you should find a more reliable study than an injury lawyer trying to sell you a lawsuit. 😂

4.5 million dog bites reported annually 800,000 need medical attention 30-50 deaths annually Only 10% can be attributed to a specific breed. And only 1 in 5 of that 10% is attributed to a pit bull. But go on, blame the breed.

The only reason pitbulls take up the news is because they're popular right now. Previously it was doberman, then rottweiler, then German Shepherds, and so on.

I guess pitbulls just wanted to wait their turn to be vicious?

Welcome to Missouri where we have an endless number of puppy mills and irresponsible breeders. There's a much larger problem than just the dogs themselves. Inside of green county you are technically suppose to have them registered which is similar to having a license. If I'm wrong please correct me. That didn't change anything.

This peak my interest. DM me the specifics.

Humiliated? Who cares if she’s been humiliated! She should be paying for the medical bills her dogs caused. She should have to pay for the therapy these children and teachers may have to go to because of this trauma. She should go to jail for assault and have her picture plastered across media. Then and only then would I say she may have been humiliated.