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Ryanqzqz t1_j13n002 wrote

Reply to comment by DebbieDunnbbar in Dogs Attack Students, Teachers On The Playground of Willard, Mo. School by Realistic-Sun3480

Agreed! On all points!

I mean, my father-in-law used to train Malinois for police work and SAR... are they inherently aggressive? No? Are they inherently able to be made aggressive with a higher propensity than some other breeds? Yes.

A lot of it has to do with activity drive. But most dog owners don't have time for that - and if you leave a dog with high activity drive to its own devices, it's going to find things to do - and those will be dog-centric and dog-oriented things... and funnily enough, that doesn't always line up with the kinds of behavior we humans want from our furry companions!

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DebbieDunnbbar t1_j13mk29 wrote

Reply to comment by Ryanqzqz in Dogs Attack Students, Teachers On The Playground of Willard, Mo. School by Realistic-Sun3480

I’m not disagreeing. Dogs can do that shit even when raised in a great environment.

But it’s hard to know what pit bull apologists mean by “irresponsible” (and the goal posts probably move on that anyway). Some people, like the guy below, it apparently means abusing the shit out of your dog. Others it seems to mean shit like not having a tall fence for your giant pit bull. The only consistent thing is they will never admit certain breeds are prone to this shit.

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Ryanqzqz t1_j13ll7p wrote

Reply to comment by DebbieDunnbbar in Dogs Attack Students, Teachers On The Playground of Willard, Mo. School by Realistic-Sun3480

It's not always irresponsible owners, either. I had to euthanize a corgi several years ago because despite being kind, loving, and cuddly - because when our neighbors dog had puppies, anytime she came anywhere near our yard and my wife or kids were also present, my Corgi would go into full defensive mode.

Neighbors dog was a loving, cuddling Lab mix. Great with everyone and constantly full of tail wags.

About a week into trying to keep them separated; I got a phone call one afternoon on my drive home. Our corgi had lit into the neighbors Lab and my wife couldn't calm them down.

I arrived to my Corgi, death-latched onto the labs neck and ear, blood everywhere, all over my children, all over both dogs, all over the yards - The lab is standing there whimpering; crouching down to keep her head low, and my Corgi is doing that thing little dogs do with toys, where they shake their heads back and forth.

Kicking, scolding, commanding (and she was well trained) and even spraying with water didn't work...I had to choke hold my Corgi to unconsciousness to get her to release.

After cleaning them off, all the blood was from the Lab, my dog was unscathed.

My kids were traumatized, I was worried what would happen if my 90lb wife was home alone the next time this occurred....

Neighbor said they felt guilty because it must've been their dogs fault for heading into our yard to see my kids. I told them heck no - the fault was all mine for not keeping my dog away and not figuring out how to get her trained to leave the Lab alone, or some-such avoidance of the inevitable....

That said - if you have a dog you know is capable of damage - you have to be responsible with it.... even if they're nice, and cuddly, and warm - and OBVIOUSLY this owner was not, at least in this instance.... I took my consequences and had to lose a best friend, because I was dumb... it won't happen again - but I care about my dogs like their my kids.... Imagine what happens to any dog when they aren't treated that way/marginalized/not socialized and/or they're actively treated worse.

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Salt-Description-387 t1_j13e8bd wrote

Reply to comment by Chitwood74 in Is Golden Dragon in Ozark still drive-thru only? by Eleighlo

I have no clue if they ever did, as I always went through the drive thru, but I was just saying they seem like they have no interest in staffing a lobby, keeping it clean for customers, or doing things like a buffet because they’re probably making just as much of not more through the drive thru only. Last time I went there the lobby was full of to-go boxes and containers.

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DebbieDunnbbar t1_j12zxib wrote

Reply to Dogs Attack Students, Teachers On The Playground of Willard, Mo. School by Realistic-Sun3480

Hurr durr it’s not the breed, it’s irresponsible owners durrrrrr

You know what happens if you’re an irresponsible owner of a Beagle? He steals the food off your kitchen table and doesn’t come when you call him. He doesn’t maul an entire playground of children.

People should have to have a license and insurance to own a pit bull.

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flug32 t1_j12w9bt wrote

Reply to comment by Wyldfire2112 in Dude sat here in the crosswalk until the light went green, then he turned right (not a turn lane) and gave me a dirty look for snapping a pic. by giftedgaia

What you are talking about is the so-called "Solomon Curve". This if oft-quoted research which seems to show that slower moving drivers in a rural highway type situation have far more crashes than those driving with the flow of traffic and even those driving a fair bit faster than average.

There are three basic problems with this, however:

- It is research on rural highway and freeway type situations that applies only that that particular situation. We might all agree that driving 25 mph on an 80 mph freeway is best to be avoided, if you can. But it has literally no application to streets and roads in a town or city - that's not where any of the data behind the Solomon Curve came from.

- The researchers did not separate out turning situations from the "slow driver" situation, which is the one we are talking about here. Turning and crossing movements are disproportionately represented in rural highway crashes - people are usually going quite slow during turns.

It's the turning part that increases the risk of collisions, though - not the slow speed. Solomon massively skewed his research by including all these turning drivers and classifying them as "slow drivers".

- More recent and careful research has rather definitely overturned the "Solomon Curve".

Here is decent research summary that makes all the same basic points I did in my two comments above, but backs them with citations and evidence, and also tackles the Solomon Curve "are slow drivers dangerous?" issue:

https://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/speedmgt/ref_mats/fhwasa1304/Resources3/08%20-%20The%20Relation%20Between%20Speed%20and%20Crashes.pdf

Regarding the supposed high crash risk of slow driving, it says:

>The first studies of this type were conducted in the United States in the 1950s and 1960s, e.g. Solomon (1964). These studies always found a U-curve: the slower or faster a car drives compared with most of the vehicles on that road, the more the risk of being involved in a crash increased.
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>However, more recent studies, especially those carried out in Australia (e.g. Kloeden et al., 1997; 2001; 2002) that used more modern measuring instruments and used a more accurate research design, reached a different conclusion. They still indicate that vehicles that drive faster than average on that road have a higher crash rate; vehicles that drive slower, however, were found not to have an increased risk (Figure 3).

Figure 3 is worth taking a look at. For rural roads, it shows:

- Slightly lower crash risk for those traveling slower than average.

- Slightly higher crash risk for those traveling faster than average

For urban roads, the situation is somewhat different:

- Still slightly lower crash risk for those traveling slower than average.

- However, massively higher crash risk for those traveling much faster than average.

If you're going say 5mph faster than average, the crash risk just just a bit higher - about what you'd expect.

But drive 10-15 mph faster than the average speed and now we're talking 10X-30X increased crash risk.

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Elvidnar t1_j12s1n9 wrote

Reply to Peking duck? by ProgressMom68

My partner is ethnic Chinese and I haven't seen Peking duck locally. If you do find it then expect it to be expensive. I can tell you that 888 international market at 119 th street and highway 69 regularly has it but I haven't had theirs and don't know if it is fresh daily. They did have it on Sunday but if you want it you should call them to order it.

If you do get it be prepared to get the fixings like mushu pancakes, slivered spring onions and cucumber and sweet bean sauce. But as someone else has said be warned the dish is mainly valued for the skin and that is limited. Traditionally, it is served in courses with skin first followed by meat and finally a soup from the bones and meat scrap.

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Good luck!

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