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[deleted] t1_j8m77zb wrote

>They've come a long way compared to other countries to be fair.

So lets continue to perpetuate completely incorrect statements that make it appear as if they haven't right?

Because change doesn't take time, and it totally isn't happening right?

People make stupid comments trying to compare women in SA to Afghanistan and its just completely idiotic.

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ComicOzzy t1_j8lyagv wrote

Social media is such a completely different animal to emails and leaflets. And no, you don't go after them "instead". But they should have some oversight, rules, consequences. Whether you build a house or high rise apartment building, in most countries there are engineering and safety standards that must be followed. The government is involved to protect people. This doesn't exist for social media platforms. Not in any real, meaningful way.

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gurenkagurenda t1_j8lcmvc wrote

This is a huge problem with how people look at disability. Disabilities are a time suck. They’re an energy suck. It’s not just about what you’re physically capable of doing. It’s also about what you can deal with accounting for the added difficulty and the added difficulty in the other things you have to deal with in your life.

For example, my particular brand of ADHD doesn’t preclude me from going to the grocery store. But I will spend about three times as long as the average person trying to find things, and I’ll be utterly exhausted by the end of it. If your response to that is “get off your butt and go shopping for yourself”, my response is “kindly fuck off and stop telling me how to spend my own money.”

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jesusrambo t1_j8laua9 wrote

I can’t, and I’m not making any claims about the presence or lack of intelligence.

You are making a claim: “Language models do not have intelligence.” I am asking you to make that claim concrete, and provide substantive evidence.

You are unable to do that, so you refuse to answer the question.

I could claim “this cup of water does not contain rocks.” I could then measure the presence or absence of rocks in the cup, maybe by looking at the elemental composition of its contents and looking for iron or silica.

As a scientist, you would understand that to make a claim, either negative or positive, you must provide evidence for it. Otherwise, you would say “we cannot make a claim about this without further information,” which is OK.

Is a linear regression intelligent? I don’t know, that’s an ill-posed question because you refuse to define how we can quantify intelligence.

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venustrapsflies t1_j8l8o54 wrote

How would you quantify the lack of intelligence in a cup of water? Prove to me that the flow patterns don’t represent a type of intelligence.

This is a nonsensical line of inquiry. You need to give a good reason why a statistical model would be intelligent, for some reasonable definition. Is a linear regression intelligent? The answer to that question should be the same as the answer to whether a LLM is.

What people like you do is to conflate multiple very different definitions of a relatively vague concept line “intelligence”. You need to start with why on earth you would think a statistical model has anything to do with human intelligence. That’s an extraordinary claim, the burden of proof is on you.

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Rd21Bn t1_j8l7z6a wrote

The problem with having AI ordering is they didn't account for humans like TikTok'ers with the attention span of 5 seconds and blabbering to their friends and laughing while making an order, purposely making it as hard for the AI to understand as possible, and then being surprised that it cannot get their order right. They are doing it on purpose to get attention, as TikTok'ers do.

If you spoke to it slowly and clearly, and only speaking out the name of the item you wish to order instead of a bunch of comments and saying things to someone else other than the AI you are ordering from while in the middle of your order, I'm sure it would do fine.

The problem is that isn't what would happen in real life, so they would have to make it so you'd have to use the app to make the order and have the AI scan the code from your phone or something, or have an outdoor kiosk to make your order instead of trying to use voice recognition to take the orders, hoping that the person ordering won't say a bunch of words that don't have to do with the order itself, while laughing hysterically the whole time and claiming that it's not working. People are just stupid and annoying, and AI will never be able to get past that.

The only part of the job the AI should do is preparing the actual order and delivering it to the customer. The AI voice-recognition will probably never be advanced enough to understand a person talking in real-time and being able to properly distinguish between what they are saying as a part of the order or not, especially when they are purposely being as hard to understand as possible, which is what you see the TikTok'ers doing..

Imagine if I went to a drive-thru and instead of making a simple order I just talked up a storm next to the drive-thru order the whole time and laughing to my friends. That's just called being rude and annoying to the human taking your order. But for an AI, they cannot tell them to stop.

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jesusrambo t1_j8l6y32 wrote

If you can justify your perspective, and you’re interested in discussing it, I would love to hear it. I find this topic really interesting, and I’ve formally studied both philosophy and ML. However, so far nobody’s been able to provide an intelligent response without it devolving into, “it’s just obvious.”

Can you define what you mean by intelligence, how we can recognize and quantify it, and therefore describe how we can identify and measure its absence in a language model?

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