Deserved

Well deserved. Was most surprised by this series than any other this year. Was never a big ST fan either.

This and Andor were such big sci-fi surprises this year. Congrats to the cast and crew!

Not Andor? I mean.. it was OK but it was still like a skinwalker had replaced your childhood friend.

Andor wasn't nominated, mainly because A) it hasn't even finished the first season yet, and B) the nominations were announced a month before the first episodes were released.

It'll be nominated for the next lot.

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House of dragon isn't a Sci fi....

At first o was thinking For All Mankind deserved it, but I’m pretty sure I enjoyed Strange New Worlds more this season

If they were going to pick a Star Trek show, it should have been The Orville New Horizons- and I absolutely loved every moment of SNW (also the rest of ST on TV).

Was the Orville nominated?

It was!

It’s been great having an actual Star Trek show again.

The expanse?

Didn't it end over a year ago now?

It concluded it's run, so apparently it can be forgotten now.

It's back to fluffing space fantasy treacle wearing a Star Trek suit, and if it's a day ending in y, something, something Star Wars-ish.

The nominees…

The Expanse

For All Mankind

Lost in Space

The Mandalorian

The Orville: New Horizons

Star Trek: Discovery

Star Trek: Strange New Worlds

The last 5 aren't even science fiction.

It technically ended in January.

Wow it must have been a bad year for sci-fi.

Strange New Worlds is good old classic Star Trek.

Discovery is a pox.

You should thank Discovery for making SNW possible.

It started off ok.

Why? Orville was shit.

Well deserved! Can't wait to see where this Enterprise and her crew go next...

'My Two Sons' pretty much ruined it for many this season.

Well deserved. Great cast, fun stories, the production design is gorgeous.

Plus, Anson Mount's hair deserves some kind of award of its own.

I had a hard time getting through the early episodes of The Orville since I wasn’t a big fan of the humor, but it nailed the aesthetic, tone and even commercial break timing of 1990’s Star Trek.

The earlier seasons do lay the foundation for some big character storylines that really blossom into the most emotional and heartfelt science fiction story telling in season 3.

The humor is really cranked down for New Horizons and because every episode was at least 60 minutes, each felt so much bigger than other shows. It’s really worth a watch for folks who like episodic sci-fi but skipped out on live action “Family Guy in space;” it’s genuinely great Star Trek.

Oh fuck, well as long as the 'commercial break timing' is on point.

It really does add to the 90’s Star Trek vibe, but there is also the quality philosophy and commentary that you’d also expect from a Trek show, just sillier sometimes.

Sounds trash, tbh. I have 90's Trek I don't need the off brand.

So guess which show won the Saturn Award last year? Yep, ST: Discovery

I believe that was the exact attitude Original series fans had towards Next Generation fans.

Season 3 of the Orville should have gotten it. It was astounding.

It was the best season of star trek we've seen in a long time. And the closest we've come back to the spirit of TOS since Wrath of Khan.

I guess having ridiculously low standards is what we're doing this year.

I'm sure it deserves it, but I was rooting for The Orville. Season 3 was so damn good.

It’s an abomination, and is still better than Picard.

These comments are all paid

It did but to have the entire federation brought to its knees by an angsty Kelpien was just utterly ridiculous and I wanted to smash my TV when I saw that plot line unfold.

Loved some of the characters - like Tilly - but the storyline just got worse and worse and worse.

Picard has 7 of 9 in it.

That ridiculous plot line where Tilly made Captain.

yeah as a muder crazy space cowboy, dual-wielding laser rifles. Not exactly a plus in Discovery's favour.

The Expanse had a very limited last season. Cas Anvar did damage. (And, “Yes, I know they fired him.”) It wasn’t enough.

I’ll never watch that show purely because of the fans. I need some normal people to tell me it’s good.

Awesome, how much do I get for this one?!

Unfortunately not a big enough franchise

It started out pretty strong, but idk. I literally lost interest maybe 6 episodes in. The ideas were cool and I liked most of the cast but the writing, especially the dialog was so bad at times it was like bad dubbing. Like theyd forget how people talk or what planets are.

I remember one line that made me laugh outloud where two vulcans are talking together and one says to the other "youre the only one who can pull this off!". I guess the writer that day didnt think like maybe thats both a human expression and not how vulcans even talk.

Dumb dialog aside it just..."didn't compel me"? To watch anymore. Too much on tv these days and I just forgot it exists after a while. It deserves to be on though. It wasnt terrible.

that's a dumb way to judge something. Now if the people making it or the actors playing were encouraging asshole-ish behavior that would be a different story. My take as someone who liked SNW is that the Orville is a good show, especially the third season.

That's too harsh. Give it a shot.

I mean, I’m not gonna respect the opinion of a bunch of dweeby capital “G” Gamers. Nor do I want to encourage them. All I know is that their fans were insufferable (particularly early on) gate keepers of Trek. I don’t think it’s unreasonable that they’d put a bad taste in my mouth.

yeah lots of morons saw the Orville as GOP Trek I guess, but it's certainly not a bigoted show and the third season is great, imo. I enjoyed it as much as I enjoyed SNW (Kirk drift notwithstanding; it is what it is now).

>Plus, Anson Mount's hair deserves some kind of award of its own.

If Boimler doesn't admire it in the Lower Decks crossover, I'll be heartbroken.

I have to admit I feel the same way. I did give it a chance when season 1 stated but didn’t like it much. I’ve thought about revisiting it but so many of its fans seem so angry and full of hate and can only compliment their show by putting other shows down it just made me lose interest entirely.

I agree with you 100 percent and feel the same way.

There have been 11 seasons “actual Star Trek” since 2017.

It’s weird because I never got the impression it was that and I know McFarlane has a ton of respect for Trek. I’ll go to it some day as a binge when things calm down.

She was first officer not captain. Not that it’s better lol

The Orville isn’t a Star Trek show. It’s like if I said my favorite mcu movie is the Batman.

So the Orvilles main thing is that it copies another franchise ?

This is exactly why I never bother with fandoms, not even for stuff that I like (ok maybe except DaystromInstitute, but that's a community with really high standards). As far as the Orville is concerned, I didn't particularly like the humor in seasons 1 and 2, but 3 tones it down a lot and it works for me.

And those other Modern trek shows have been trying to do depressing serialized drama instead of the hopeful episodic Sci-fi stories that made star trek great.

So I’ll stand by my comment.

That's right, it actually makes no sense that bigots gravitated to it, but then again being a conservative and a Trek fan makes no sense in the first place, so who knows how those people's minds work (if they work at all).

I wasn’t being literal. Seth McFarlane had originally pitched an official Star Trek show, and afterward created The Orville. Both franchises feature mostly human crews of exploratory ships in an intergalactic alien federation dealing with social conflict, politics, alien threats, spatial anomalies and time travel shenanigans.

The Orville is directly inspired and very often an homage to Star Trek, but has built enough of its own universe to tell stories entirely unique to their characters.

They’re sci-fi peas in a pod.

That’s fine. I disagree that they are depressing and see the spirit of hope and Star Trek in them with the exception of discovery’s first two seasons maybe. Also, 3 of the 5 shows are episodic not serialized.

Some people are in it for the pew pews.

There are, of course, people who just wanted the traditional format, a modern Trek has been legitimately flawed in some respect (I’m not too hot on Picard personally). Those people, though, likely aren’t the ones who make it a full time job to whine on the internet.

My god. season 3 was so bad I even forgot to finish it. Thanks for the reminder.

I couldn't finish Picard because I think it's poorly written, but I usually shut up about it in the fear that someone afraid of brown people thinks we're buds.

I stay away from threads discussing it because the last thing I want to do is tamp down on the fun of people who do enjoy it. I think it’s great that they can.

They changed it to make it have more action and melodrama which was a huge mistake to me.

You know things are going to be different when in the first episode they have an freak accident out of control space hotel almost kill most of the main cast lol.

I still enjoyed it but they were at a much higher standard the first two seasons.

Um, yeah.

No it shouldn't. Orville is only a good show for people who hate New Trek. The writing and acting are piss poor.

First season was kinda meh, the end of the Klingon war was down right stupid. Second season of Discovery was significantly better, mostly thanks to Pike, Spock and Number One in it. Third season was great! They managed to conjure up some interesting future tech and we have a cat as a cast member again!

Yeah Saru has her as first officer (for a few episodes) because she inspires hope in people (which is true, but dumb), but there was probably a dozen other crew members that had way more experience.

A lot of the criticisms people had with FAM this season were fair but I still really like it and it was among the shows I was most excited for every week when it aired. The Orville was really good too this season. And I'm surprised Severance wasn't nominated, I guess they don't consider it sci-fi enough.

That being said I would have voted for SNW as well, the finale especially is probably the best episode of Star Trek I've seen since the Voyager days.

I like most new Trek and think SNW deserved this award, but The Orville, especially this past season, is really, really good as well. New Trek is trying different things (for better or sometimes worse), even when they're rehashing things. The Orville starts as Star Trek Classic, landing on that line between homage and parody, but by S3 it's fully its own thing with the spirit of TNG era trek. Some of the episodes they did in S3 are among the best sci fi I've ever seen.

It was great to have a Star Trek series again where you got a new story every episode for a season rather than being dragged along for one story an entire season long with a unsatisfying ending.

I actually really like a lot of S1, they seemed to be going for something really interesting with good social commentary, but it fell apart I guess when they changed showrunners and I agree the end is pretty dumb.

S2 is good if you don't think about the logic of what they're doing too much, or ignore how it's completely devoid of any point.

S3 is good but again with a stupid ending.

S4 has a couple of decent episodes and I actually think they nailed the ending for the most part, I like how it's basically Star Trek: Arrival. But it's also maybe the most boring season of the show so far.

I really liked The new Star Trek show but it did not have the heart or the interesting premises of Orville New horizons.

It's just way more clever overall

They are roughly the same level of meldorama mixed with stupid for me.

Lower Decks is also great.

Normal person here...it's not good, you're missing nothing of value.

Picard (spoilers) is dead at the end of his series and no one cares; they replaced him with an android, lol. There is no hope or care there.

Those shows are not great television, even before you get into their problems as Trek. SNE is thankfully a return to form. (And the person you were talking to was clearly meaning the live action shows when they said the other shows are serial, so the 3/5 thing is kinda petty for someone expressing their fondness for the positive spirit of Star Trek.)

For purposes of the show and universe It’s the same Picard. Just like Spock in movies 3-6, and tng is still referred to as Spock not some regenerated entity that had its memories placed into it. Technically the memories of of the original Spock died in wrath of khan

Not sure how factually stating 3 of the 5 shows are not completely serialized has anything to do with pettiness. I said there have been 11 seasons of trek. That person responded by saying they have been depressing serialized drama which is not accurate.

I just did, it's trash.

I don't know why that matters as this isn't a case of an IP continuing it's own story but a clown trying to milk nostalgia for profit.

to each his own

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LD did a lackluster DS9 episode that literally references the opening is what I'd call milking nostalgia. Or when SNW did Zap Brannigan Kirk just so all those people who have heard of him would recognize it and clap. Is the Orville derivative? Absolutely. But let's not act like Star Trek is a stranger to exploiting nostalgia.

Again, so what? Star Trek having bad, nostalgia bait episodes does not mean that I should support another show that makes bad nostalgia bait it's entire identity.

It's actually a good execution of the formula for the most part. McFarlane is a well known trekkie who has huge respect for the series so I think he's going for more than nostalgia baiting for a quick buck.

On a different note, what is this "supporting shows" thing? I usually just watch them.

You're literally trying to get me to watch a show I've stated several times that I do not like and do not want to watch.

You clearly do more than just "watch them".

I am merely stating the fact that your opinion is wrong. It's not bad nostalgia bait, it's a formulaic show that is well executed. Don't behave like a child.

Take you own advice, sweetheart.

I do, love.

Then why are you such a clown?

huh?

Clown, explain to me your damage so that I may expedite your departure from my life.

big words, small man. have a good one.

I do so enjoy when the trash takes itself out.

I think there's some good ideas it has and the effects are top notch, but the writing and acting is..... not always there to support it. Season 3 had both some of the highlights and lowlights of the show. I think it would have been better if Seth McFarlane didn't have to sell it as "Family Guy in Space".

That said, I would still like to see more of it (and I enjoy New Trek too.)

Andor released a bit of its soundtrack already. Where is the SNW soundtrack?

Last year's Saturn Award for Best Science Fiction Television Series?

Star Trek Discovery. (Yes, you heard that right.)

Bro I like andor but the show still has 4 episodes left

It’s coming. Lakeshore Records has had some logistics issues coming through COVID and there’s been a backlog of releases.

Maybe my statement was misinterpreted..... I am not a very good writer, after all.

What I meant was that Andor should have gotten all of those awards. So far it's been amazing. The sets, the acting, the VFX, the dialogue.. it clearly is a return to form for prestige television after the last 5 years of increasingly diluted writing talent.

It might completely shit the bed in its last few episodes. But even then, it has the following over Strange New Worlds:

a) Characters feel like real people. On SNW, you have a ragtag group of randoms whose backstory is either written on their sleeve (La'An) or there's none at all and they only have scenes on the bridge generally, have lines, but are inexplicable (Ortegas).

b) Speaking of Ortegas, the writers seem to have insisted on using the Marvel template of quippy lines at inappropriate times. The character acts completely and uttery unprofessionally. Noone notices, because the plot needs to happen. There are no moments where someone says to her "Hey, you need to button up before you take the helm of this bajillion dollar space ship because 200 lives are counting on you."

c) In Strange New Worlds half of the VFX shots are covered in smeary digital lens flares. This never happens in Andor.

d) Andor doesn't use "The Volume", which is the LED wraparound virtual set that the other Star Wars productions use. SNW uses it for a lot of things, including Engineering, which has been reduced to becoming a vast cave with one console in the middle, like some sort of budget TARDIS. It looks awful. it doesn't look like Star Trek's engineering set from 1967 and while I know there'd have to be updates to make it look modern, it's a completely different room.

e) The plots in SNW are kind of ass. Like, the whole episode where they think they're characters from some storybook because a space cloud has become friends with the Doctor's ailing daughter, and then at the end the cloud takes her because he can't save her, the actor playing the doctor has absolutely no emotions because he can't act his way out of a paper bag, then she pops in as an adult but not really because she's space cloud now. Is that how you resolve a plot that's been going on since the beginning of the show? The daughter thing was basically just a mystery box from poor writers.

The last episode of the season has them time jump to an alternate 7 years in the future during the original Star Trek's "Balance of Terror" and the romulan commander, despite not having the same rapport that he had with Kirk (because the scenes are entirely different) then says the lines from the original episodes almost VERBATIM at the end and we're supposed to be somehow impressed by this even though those lines didn't fit the scene, didn't work with the rest of the script, and existed entirely for memberberries.

Anyhow, I hope SNW season 2 is better, because even though it can be very mediocre it's the only live trek right now that isn't outwardly hostile to its audience.