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ValjeanHadItComing t1_j7otzv7 wrote

>Maybe people would be upset if it took place in the Obama years. The idea of the world falling apart in his tenure is too much for some people.
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>The idea of the government being unprepared, turning corrupt and killing innocent people seems to more acceptable if it took place in an era where Republicans ruled such as the Bush era.

...it's not that deep, dude.

At no point in the show does it even remotely make the implication that the pandemic got out of control or FEDRA started killing people because George Bush was in office. Maybe I could understand your gripe if there was a scene with Donald Rumsfeld talking about "known unknowns" at a press conference before being attacked by infected, but that's clearly not the case.

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Archamasse t1_j7ot3kb wrote

I think it's more to help you see the show's "present day" as near our own present day.

Station Eleven's "present" is in the 2040s and it did create some intuitive weirdness to see a 2040 civilisation that's essentially regressed, even given their pandemic. It's a little stranger again with TLOU, because there is some semblance of functional government and technological development, so if you set it mostly ten years in the future, you have to try to work out what cultural and tech development might happen in those intervening years under these exceptionally odd circumstances.

Making their present line up with our present solves that, and it's just plain neater to present the audience with a parallel 2023.

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sergiocamposnt t1_j7k9nuo wrote

Lost is a crazy show with an amazing ending. The only problem is that most characters are extremely annoying and unlikeable, especially on the first two seasons.

> I’m a huge fan of his other work ‘the leftovers’ so not getting certain answers isn’t a huge problem, as long as the other aspects of the show deliver.

> Huge fan of mysteries and characters dying suddenly (or any shocking twists and turns etc)

You will certainly love Lost. It is not a masterpiece like The Leftovers, but it is pretty good.

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Petrichor02 t1_j7gvf5t wrote

Reply to comment by vba7 in Is lost worth watching? by OKC2023champs

They said the island wasn't purgatory. The island wasn't purgatory. >!There was an element towards the end that was reminiscent of purgatory, but when you really get down to it, that element and purgatory ultimately have no more in common than Earth and purgatory do.!<

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Petrichor02 t1_j7gglnv wrote

Reply to comment by vba7 in Is lost worth watching? by OKC2023champs

> the authors said that the show wouldnt end with a particular ending.. and then it had that particular ending.

This is untrue. The creators did say that the show wouldn't end in a particular way, and it didn't end that way. However, there was an element within the ending that had some superficial similarities to the way that the creators said it wouldn't end, so some people misinterpreted the ending as being the way the creators said it wouldn't be.

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Petrichor02 t1_j7ggar5 wrote

Lost is absolutely worth watching, but your enjoyment will vary depending on a few factors:

  1. Are you able to watch the show while giving it your full attention? If you watch it in the background or while on your phone, you're very likely to miss something, be it foreshadowing, a character connection, a lore detail, an answer to a mystery, etc. It's not easy to get lost watching the show if you're paying full attention to it, but it's apparently very easy to get lost watching the show if you're only half paying attention to it.

  2. Do you hate shows that have any reference to religion whatsoever? This is particularly important because Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Taoism, and more eclectic religions are all referenced throughout the show. Sometimes they're very important to the characters. Sometimes they explain how a character will react to and interpret certain sci-fi weirdness that they encounter. A lot of people I know who watched and hated the show did so because they can't stand any reference to religion in a show, and there is a decent bit of it in Lost. This has also influenced how some audience members interpret the show (for better or worse). For example, there is a particularly iconic scene from the show that takes place in a religious setting, and lore is explained at this setting. Because of the setting, some people interpreted the explained lore through that religion's popular mythos even though the show never said that the lore being explained adhered to that religion's mythos.

  3. Related to the above, are you able to use the information a show gives you to determine what is true despite character interpretations to the contrary? The show answers most mysteries that it presents, but certain characters interpret those answers through a limited point of view and understanding. As such, if you stick to just the characters' interpretations of those answers rather than the full answer that the show gives you through various avenues, you may find the "answer" as interpreted by the characters disappointing or contradictory even though the show has explained that the characters' interpretation is just an interpretation, not the full answer.

  4. Are you one to theorize on your own as the show progresses? If so, don't let yourself get married to any of your theories as that led to a lot of disappointment in people. That said, I do encourage you to really think about and try to figure out what's going on as you watch it as that's part of the fun and will make the reveals make more sense since you've been giving the mysteries thought as the show progresses.

  5. Do you need the answers spelled out for you, or are you okay inferring the answers? For example, at a certain point the show may say "Here's a mystery, and the answer is either A, B, or C." Then a season later it'll say "The answer to that mystery isn't B." Then a season later it'll say "The answer to that mystery isn't C." And then it'll never reference the mystery again. You'll just have to know from inference that the mystery was answered, the answer was A, but the show didn't need to come out and say that to you explicitly because it explained how the answer couldn't be any other possibility.

  6. Are you okay with answers being sci-fi in nature rather than being super grounded in real life? While everything in the show that is answered could be argued to work via a real world branch of science or pseudoscience, some of them are stretched to sci-fi limits. Basically if you don't mind lightsabers and teleporters where there is a "science" to explain things even though that science wouldn't actually work in real life, then you're going to be fine. The answers may seem like "the Force" at certain points where there is no real scientific answer, but everything in the show can be argued and interpreted through a hard sci-fi lens. You don't need to interpret any of it through a fantasy/sci-fi lens (though it is easier for some people to swallow some of the answers that way).

If you keep those things in mind and don't have an issue with any of them, you should absolutely give the show a shot. Watch the two-part pilot. If that doesn't hook you but does interest you, watch through 1x04 "Walkabout". If that doesn't hook you but you're still interested in the show, watch through 1x10 "Raised By Another". If you're still not hooked on the show by that point, the show may just not be for you.

But do your best not to look up anything about the show as you watch because spoilers are everywhere.

Also, there are a number of canon pieces of the show that are found through webisodes and the like, so if you want to watch these extra parts of the show, let me know and I'll send you a list/links to the extra parts as well as when to watch them to get the full experience of the show.

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SkullLeader t1_j7gfhc1 wrote

A emphatic "yes!" from me. But set your expectations going in. The show will present a lot of mysteries, and while some of them get satisfying or even great resolutions, ultimately many will not be answered, or will be answered but in (IMHO) unsatisfying or outright lame ways. Beyond that, its one of those "the journey, not the destination, is the reward" type of shows. There's a ton of great, great acting performances, so many great moments, so many "oh, shit! What just happened?" mind-blowing moments that will leave your head spinning as you ponder the implications - I don't think any other show did that to me as many times as Lost did.

Deadwood I haven't (re) watched in quite a while. Unfortunately it got cancelled and while I wouldn't say it ended on a cliffhanger, it did ultimately feel incomplete. If you don't mind copious amounts of cursing, its another show worth watching. Again, some really fantastic performances from the cast, but Ian McShane's performance is (for me) all-time great.

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royalewithcheesecake t1_j7fkito wrote

The difference between The Leftovers and Lost is that while both have a big 'core mystery', the former implies heavily that the mystery won't be answered (and that's the point), while the latter continuously teases the answer and drip-feeds you answers to smaller sub-mysteries that are so incredibly cool that the final resolution feels like it's going to be even more mind-blowing and perfect. And, as a super-fan of Lost, I can tell you that it isn't. Go in having accepted that, and you will love it.

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sofewcharacters t1_j7et8e0 wrote

Take Lost for what it is. It was groundbreaking at the time and broke the mould for television at the time. Is it good? It's not shit, but it helps to understand what was happening in the background i.e. from a meta perspective, as it was being made.

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pixelflop t1_j7e4vxt wrote

Agreed, but…

You have to watch one episode at week. Don’t binge!

Part of what made LOST such a phenomenon was the mystery and WTF episode endings. If you can just jump to the next episode 3 seconds later, you lose half of the fun - theorizing and debating the mystery.

Watch with a friend, one episode a week, and enjoy!

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