The first two seasons are really fun. It goes down hill for season 3.

So get a free trial? You only have yourself to blame

I think they might do something like that. If they want to properly tell Ted Lassos arc it needs to come to an end this season as originally planned

It's just a groupthink dogma that everyone has to announce as their own revolutionary hot take.

Personally, I've enjoyed most of the shows that edgelords can't wait to pitchfork for demise. And the people who profess to hate them, I notice they crave each new episode... just to shit on something they clearly are addicted to.

They do it to anything good. They did it to The Sopranos in season 1, and everything since.

It goes in tandem with them cheering when a good show ends prematurely. You'll be able to watch that play out in real time this month as Succession ends after just 4 seasons, with no appreciable waning of quality.

It's like someone comes to a buffet, drools over every dish, stuffs themselves deliriously with great food, then later says none of it was any good.

They'll refuse to concede that say, a fifth season of Succession would still be one of the best seasons of viewing imaginable. Their manufactured hate is often debunked. Many of the favorite plots and highlights of series come after the date the edgelord edict tries to claim there was no worth. Great episodes and seasons followed Henry Blake's departure, Michael Scott's departure, Fia Gallagher's departure. Haters of Dexter still salivated and enjoyed every minute while they watched New Blood, then rushed online to complain the pizza they just gorged was supposedly unappealing.

Sometimes it's fear or depression manifesting as hate; they idolize a given actor and can't process their departure from a show. Sometimes it's darker, like a character is introduced that their real world peer group dictates much be hated, ie Taylor on Billions.

It's such an odd, self-hate-based phenomenon. I'll enjoy the upcoming seasons of Succession and Billions, and won't feel a compunction to scream they need to be killed off. And for shows I truly don't enjoy, I simply don't watch them. I don't need to actively try to end them for others who do still like them. If Grey's Anatomy wants to keep on going, I'm happy for those fans that enjoy it, even if I don't. Other shows I've noped out of you won't see me actively trying to end. Why not let those who enjoy it continue to enjoy it?

I almost wish there was some kind of consequence for the bloodlust, like if you rush to declare some show has jumped the shark, that should come with a way to make sure you're not allowed to quietly enjoy the subsequent episodes or seasons.

Cut Netflix or whatever for a month and you'll actually save money.

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I hate this saying so much. The show's literally never been bad and it's not even that plot driven so what are the odds that a show with no missteps suddenly crashes upon landing? And on the infinitesimal chance that it is bad, I'm not sure that necessarily means everything that came before it is bad. Plus it feels like continuously saying this about every show just sets up crazy high expectations and makes you feel disappointed in the end.

Like sure it needs to all be good for the show to wind up on the Rushmore of shows but the "land the plane" line has become so trite to me.

I liked the first one, not too high stakes but the characters seem interesting, I like Chris O'Dowd and it's weirdly refreshing to have an Apple show that isn't stuffed to the brims with big names.

However it seems like a pattern is starting to emerge from these half hour Apple shows. Main Guy is existentially sad, there's a trauma from before the show started that everyone's dealing with that slowly gets unfurled throughout the show and is making everybody like 20% weirder than they should be and making them act like they're in an early 2010 mumblecore indie movie.

I don't dislike it but there's at least three of them on right now (this, Shrinking and Ted Lasso, maybe Hello Tomorrow too) so it's a little odd. Like does that say more about where people are at in general that so many of this type of show gets greenlight or does it say something specifically about Tim Apple?

The ending hasn't happened yet but I expect it to be rated as top 4 all time best reviewed show at the end of the day.

You can smell a mile a way that it's boadroom-esque content for the sake of content. I remember when they blasted out a load of generic sitcoms in the 2010's that were like AI generated TV shows.

I've enjoyed it, it's not like perfect or anything but it delivers everything I want out of a procedural network show, likable characters and Raymond Lee is a great lead, enjoyable case of the week type stories, and an interesting overarching season long narrative to go along with it

It being different mostly, IMO. Like it has a different feel to it and in the age of infinite versions of the same thing that goes a long way.

Also, nice mix of prestige quality and moment to moment laughs/entertainment. And that damn score.

Yes, it's absolutely silly to start anointing a show as one of the all time greats before it even ends.

Netflix doesn't really need marketing. They just release something new and put it in the banner with a cool image. The only commitment the viewer needs is hitting play. And if someone were to miss the giant screen banner on their TV they will see it again in the Top 10 list or have a friend talk about it. It's sort of brilliant.

It's extremly similar to 24. Government Agent in over his head trying to protect a witness and stop a terrorist attack. If you miss the old Jack Bauer Power Hour, then you should check it out.

I was thinking the exact same thing. I think he was a really important shining example to people who would otherwise be sheltered from homosexuals/drag artists that they’re just people and in this case a hilarious and seemingly very nice one at that!

I actually love it. You can't compare the two series because they are definitely not the same. They use the same premise but have totally different points of view. The first was definitely Sam centric. The new series tells you what's going on with Ben and everyone behind the scenes. I think if they did it exactly like the first series, then it would probably get stale and just be a nostalgic toss back. This way, it's nostalgic and reinvented. And I agree with someone else on this thread that I like seeing the stuff in the background. We only saw Gushie maybe three times in the other series and Sam's wife twice, I think. We knew of them but didn't know them. Ian is one of my favorite characters.

Here's my thoughts on the series:

Continue with the background stuff. I don't know if we need to get into everyone's complete histories, but I like what we see now. It's like you work there and you learn what you'd learn if you really worked there and were good friend with them. It's a nice balance.

The stuff revealed last night (the airplane stewardess episode) makes perfect sense, and to why Ziggy is the mole

I think that we'll find out that Martinez, the evil leaper, isn't really evil either next week or next season. I get that based on the end of last night's episode. If I'm right, ( I don't want to say exactly everything or else it will create spoilers) it makes Martinez's actions logical. I say he currently hates Ben because of possibly one leap's consequences end up killing someone close to Martinez. I have a feeling this will be all explained in the season finale. Also, I think it's possible Ian is the one who sent Martinez, and Martinez goes rogue or he is upset and went against Ian's orders. Or maybe some convoluted mix of that and something else. Maybe there will be episodes where they have to work together again in future seasons.

Majic is a nice touch to this series. I like that he gives us a perspective of a host. I like the character. And I like that his character is not all about him just being a former host.

I like the fact that they aren't trying to suppress why Ben is and keep him in the dark about what's going on.

I like that they are putting multiple people in the imaging chamber so its not all about the connection between Ben and Addison.

I think some.of the stories are a little quick but they are getting a better flow to everything. Like the trans basketball one felt a little rushed.

I'd like to see Ben and Sam cross paths. They said Sam never goes home, but never said why. Since it seems Sam can now control his leaps, maybe he just went back to being a boy and spending time with his dad again. Or maybe he got stuck in a loop and that's why he never went home. Maybe Ben frees him and in the old timeline, Sam never went home, but that was the timeline at 20 years before the Quantum Leap program was reinstated. Anything can happen now. They can explain it that they have to say he never made it back because it's classified and that's why Magic got involved. Sam picked him specifically to run the new project ot guided him to Magic's old files to get him to revive the program.

I like the fact that the characters aren't cookie Cutter needs of military officers. They are believable.

That's my thoughts and wild theories. You can agree or disagree or just ignore me. What do you think?

For sure,

Twin Peaks, Breaking Bad, Succession, The Sopranos makes for a good TV all time immemorial combo

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Do you really want to watch a show with whiny English princess girl?

It’s definitely worth a read. It goes relatively quick and you don’t need to have read any other part of the Grishaverse prior.

> the dialogue is bad and the acting is subpar.

I finished ep.2 . It's not that it's bad or subpar, it's just bland. And had me rolling my eyes a couple of times...

I'm not sure I'll watch ep.3.

I got through it - lots of clichés and annoying characters - lots of stretches of suspension of disbelief. Definitely should have ended it there but they announced another season yesterday.

all the praise for The Six of Crows has me interested in reading them. Was a big YA fan back in the day. But I was out of school by the time the Grishaverse started

It's a procedural that veers between hammy legal drama, hammy romance, and hammy bromance.