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Awful. Especially coming off Andor, which was one of the best shows of a stacked 2022.

Mando has never been a good show. Seasons 1 and 2 were not good TV if you take out the Star Wars paint. This season, the Star Wars paint has been spread so thin (Boba and Obi-Wan being dogshit doesn't help), that the lack of production quality, fan film dialogue and acting, and absence of story depth is more apparent than ever. This show is directionless and I hope it continues to fade from public consciousness. Bringing Grogu and Mando back together in a spinoff show wiped away what little this string of shows had going for them.

Just counting down the days til Andor S2. And more Bad Batch, I really liked Season 2.

I'm still enjoying it but definitely feel like the quality has gone down a bit. The battle scenes in the latest episode were a bit clowney at times. Felt like Book of Boba Fett (well, not THAT bad)

Yeah I understand that. Maybe should’ve clarified that in the title but throughout the post I make it clear that I’m speaking specifically about the dialogue, not other elements of the writing.

Writing isn't just dialogue btw.

Brutal and dark series but i'm waiting.

This might come as a shock to you, but the point of Star Wars is to make money. They struck gold with "baby yoda" and want to keep it going. It's not supposed to be a story-driven masterpiece, it's supposed to sell toys and be fun. Star Wars was initially popular because of its special effects and entertainment value. I swear nobody hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fans lol

OP is a Star Wars nerd based on what, watching Star Wars content?

The usual commentary about fans being overly critical or dogmatic isn't really fair here.

OP never compared the show to Andor either.

> Even "Karl Marx was wrong when he said religion was the opium of the people; money is."

You are using quotation marks wrong. Also the world runs on money, it doesn't run on opium. So that doesn't make sense.

Or were you quoting Logan Roy or something? I could see him saying something like that.

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ok sir

Well, you know what I mean lol. It’s widely considered to have incredible, next-level writing. I even agree with that sentiment to an extent. Just being a bit hyperbolic for the sake of the post.

Does the top church man shit in the woods?

The podcast also rules

I kind of feel the same way you do about it. The first few episodes were a chore to get through with all the other stuff going on. I just have like two episodes left. Probably won’t watch the second season though.

That would be epic!! I enjoyed all the pirates story lines, especially black beard, long John silver and of course flint.

And without kiefer, which helps a lot.

It is a fun watchable show on a reasonable budget so a renewal makes sense. I hope they save some money to renew some slightly more ambitious shows like Shadow and Bone though.

No, it's that same dumb HBO style dialogue of meaningless cursing more meant for pop culture memes than how real people actually talk that displays no introspection, offhandedly or otherwise, and is laughably cliched whenever it actually does try to be serious. Compare it to the dialogue of Woody Allen or Cassavettes. There's nothing even at the depth of a Steve McQueen in Hunger/12 Years A Slave, and he's a director known for silence, not dialogue.

Look at the lines you quote. One is a barely-witty comment and the other a half-funny pun. The 'great lines' people quote are just funny jokes at best, not the layered characterization/thematically meaningful of "God is a luxury I can't afford." or "Your problem is you always think you're gonna be the one to make them different". Even "Karl Marx was wrong when he said religion was the opium of the people; money is."

I legitimately don't think HBO has ever made a show with great writing. Maybe The Wire?

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Of course I don't. But "I'm offended friends is a product of its time" is not a commonly held opinion. You can acknowledge that social attitudes have changed without being upset that the show was made. Hell you can even enjoy the show but ultimately recognize that this isn't the current opinion.

I love boy meets world. There's a lot of fun stuff that holds up just as good as when it was made. Theres a lot of stuff that is a product of its time. I listen to the rewatch pod the cast does. They do a great job of breaking down the show, and they're not really ever offended by it. There's a very powerful scene in season 1 where a racial slur is used. Probably wouldn't be accepted today. They questioned why looking back that one was used when another one was cut earlier in the episode. But they weren't offended and they acknowledge it was a powerful scene. Just that it wouldn't be made today

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The writing is often great, and the show is top notch, but if we're being honest, sometimes it does go up its own ass. Those moments of brilliance and excitement tend be surrounded by endless conversations that cover the same ground over and over.

Cannot agree more. I don't know about you but if I was being chased by assassins trying to kill me, the last thing on my mind would be getting laid or falling in love. It works in some cases like The Bourne Identity because the film is about him finding his humanity again, so a love story helps with that, but for a lot of shows or films a love story doesn't help, like you say a platonic friendship can work just as well.

Do you think social attitudes have remained stagnant in the last 20 years?