Have you tried turn it off and back on again.

The comments swayed me on at least giving it a shot for a bit more, so I'm gonna do that. I get what you're saying though

The show leaning a bit more on the technical business side of things will be a welcome change of pace for sure. I much prefer that backdrop for character development to occur instead of the expected (and aforementioned) 50s reasons.

Eh. I just can't bring myself to care about the Mandalorian's stupid helmet religion.

If they'd get away from that and do something more interesting...

The show does move away from the stuff that's putting you off, but never entirely and not too quickly.

The general direction it goes in should be more clear by about halfway through season two. If you don't see any green shots of things that will interest you by episode 6 or 7, you can probably drop it.

Or skip to the last couple of episodes of season 3 and see if you're more engaged by then, as there's a bigger leap forward between seasons 3 and 4.

> They keep teasing Thrawn (including just recently in Mando) and he would be the absolute perfect villain for a Star Wars Infinity War/Endgame.

I have been thinking they'd introduce Thrawn because they keep bringing in Thrawn-like things... but I think they're just going to re-use Moff Gideon instead, after that last episode.

Yeah that's the exact reason my interest for the show sparked back up again the moment I realized it isn't gonna stay in the 50s

George Lucas himself said “it’s like poetry, it rhymes” - criticizing The Phantom Menace for being a rehash of many of the same plot elements as A New Hope is not off-base. After all people complained about that endlessly when it happened again in The Force Awakens.

I know it’s fashionable to argue that the Star Wars prequels are somehow good actually but that doesn’t change the fact that it retreads a lot of repeated ground. Evidently George Lucas wants us to believe that was artistic and intentional but if even he can admit it I don’t really think this oversimplification critique holds much water.

And that’s to say nothing of the fact that I wasn’t the one who said it but instead was responding to the shitty reply which simply called it an “oversimplified garbage take” as if that goes without saying.

Where are you getting 6th? I'm seeing 3rd, and the only non-Netflix series (which has a lot more subscribers than their competitors) in the top 5.

> I'd rather have a great season left on a cliffhanger than a complete story that ends up mediocre because of trying to shove everything in.

I dont want either, but the cliffhanger is definitely still the worst option. These streamers need to finish their stories or it is impossible to recommend their content to others, and the shows ring hollow at the end.

Some of the appeal is watching the world change so rapidly from 1959 through the sixties. It was a wild decade for progressive ideas.

Yeah, I mean you can already see by the end of season 1 that Peggy is moved to the copywriting team, so her journey is sort of the spine of the series. I also feel like the more you see of the business side of things, the more interesting it seems to get, or at least seeing how characters react to the ads reveals things about them that is interesting.

Also, "Don Draper is cool but troubled" slowly starts to drift into "Don Draper is getting uncool but very troubled" and that's kinda fun as well.

My concern was more akin to "is this gonna be it for 7 seasons?" but from most of the comments here I can see that this isn't the case. That's enough for me to give it a chance. Thanks!

Even from the 9 episodes I've watched I can definitely see the novel comparison, in the way it's paced. Let's hope what it builds to ends up wowing me like it wowed everyone else. Thanks!

Yeah my main concern was that all the show has to offer is well-written dialogue and pretty sets, hence the post. The other comments along with yours made me hopeful for it again, I'll stick with it. Thanks a lot!

oh wow, he was fired?! sons of anarchy started of great, and had its moments in later seasons...but ultimately was underwhelming. i won't lie, that dude take some big risks in storytelling and I guess that's why i appreciate him.

Aight yeah I'm gonna give it a shot then. Thanks!

It releases 1 episode at a time. Everything other show above it releases their full season on Netflix or now has their full season released with last of us.

To be honest this is all I wanted to hear. I got the vibe of the possibility of the entire show being "it's the 50s so men are assholes, women are slaves, ads ads ads, corporate drama, also don draper is cool but troubled" and I feared that I wouldn't be able to keep engaging with it. But what you're saying makes it promising again for sure. Gonna stick with it and see where that leads me then, thanks!

>The setting doesn't inspire me at all, neither the 1950s nor the ad firm thing. And I'm not having fun seeing a man being a dick and a woman being sexually harassed every 8 minutes on top of all else.

I had the exact same issue with Game of Thrones, a monster hit. The setting didn't inspire me in the least, so I just didn't watch it.

Mad Men however, turned me on.

So I recommend you bail on it.

It’s absolutely turned into Power Rangers. I only watch it because my daughter wants to

I once heard someone describe MM as a long novel and I think that’s accurate with the way it’s paced. Kinda like some of the classics it takes awhile to build the world before you can move the pieces.

It’s been a while since I’ve watched the show but the first season I think takes more time to set up the societal context and focuses more on “how things were” than later seasons, which are more about diving into the psychology of characters. Not that the racism/misogyny ever goes away completely (this is a show that takes place in our world, after all) but that balance shifts more to towards the characters in later seasons, like after season 1 pretty much.

It’s also a show about how those attitudes evolve over time. By the end of the show, an entire decade — arguably the most socially tumultuous of the twentieth century in the U.S. — has gone by, and over the course of the show you see how different characters respond to that as it’s happening, which is interesting.

That being said, it’s definitely a show that takes place in the 60s and largely in offices in bedrooms, though the production design and costuming are incredible and I’d say worth watching for that alone.

Stay with it homie. It's one my favorite shows and I still go back and watch the entire series every couple years. The first season is definitely establishing the world. The other seasons are like watching natural disasters tear thru this established world. It gets sooo good and strange - just keep going.

It's an accurate representation of that time period for good and for ill. The sexism, racism etc will never go away, the show is unflinching in this sense, but it also features stories of characters who end up empowered despite everything being stacked against them. It also features characters whose stories end with deep injustice done against them, things that may never be rectified.

Whether that long term satisfaction of seeing all these incredible character arcs unfold is worth it is up to you. The show is definitely ugly, but the beautiful moments certainly have a way of sticking out in the midst of all the bad things. At least that's what I think. If you don't find this kind of thing worth watching, I understand.