Personally I knew since i was 6 I couldn't imagine changing my mind. I'm sure some ppl might but then again they probably weren't trans but some flavour of non binary. It's really something that even if you're sure is still worth talking to a proper therapist about.

Cool story man, so glad you could share it with me.

I’ve already got my dick sucked and then daytime drunk at the beach with my neighbors since then…move it along, dr

Ah my bad I didn't check the username and thought that was you replying.

I don't need to talk in all caps

You do understand that I was responding quartz, slick willie

I'm really glad you wrote this because feel the same way( except I'm a (F) and wished I was a (M). I didn't even know this had a name, cool! Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

…you too, slick

Yeah I’d check the thread again, slick

Careful you're not allowed to suggest people might change their minds about such a thing

It’s amazing how confidently wrong you are. The level of blissfully unaware is quite alarming really.

Lol, enjoy joining the workforce when you eventually do and find out that positions have specific pay rates and ranges.

Pay is not tied to position. You couldn’t be more wrong.

You can say it all you want but that doesn't make it true, people can and do do the same job and pay is tied to positions, have you ever held a job in your life?

Nobody does the same job, and pay isn’t tied to a position, it’s tied to the companies need.

If people aren't getting paid the same for the same job then yes it is inequality by definition

Well yes. If you believe both transgender people and people with autogynephila exist at the same time, then a trans woman who masturbates to pictures of themselves is just a woman masturbating to pictures of themselves and likely just an odd thing people do regardless of whether they are trans or not. The trans woman is not being turned on by the fact they're presenting as a woman, they're likely getting the same satisfaction the cis woman is getting from doing it. No cis woman is looking at themselves and thinking "I look so much like a woman today" and getting off over it, they're obviously getting something else out of it. I assumed we were talking about photos, but it could be that they're getting sexual satisfaction by watching themselves masturbate in the mirror, which may just add some extra sensory gratification to the act for them, which is far more likely and has nothing to do with sex or gender. Someone with autogynephila doing this is being sexually stimulated directly from the fact they are dressed as the opposite gender/imagining themselves as the opposite gender.

But none of this thoroughly debunks autogynephila.

Thanks for the convo anyway, have a good day!

Cis women who masturbate to their own image is identical to trans women who masturbate to mental images of their own self as a woman

Because from your all caps comment it's clear you have no deeper perspective on it, just "nunya business".

You literally said the other individual who thought it was a bad idea, gave you a deeper perspective on this..thus... but you're back to calling people boot lickers? I guess perspective is skin deep for you.

>AGP has been used as an explanation of gender dysphoria. That's what it is at its core. AGP in original theory and how it's been used has been used as an attempt to debunk someone's "transness".

I understand that autogynephilia has been used to discredit the validity of "transness" and I think that's nonsense. I believe both exist and are both as valid as each other. But that doesn't discredit the reality of autogynephilia. Just because a group of people feel invalidated by someone else's identity, it doesn't debunk the reality of their identity, does it?

>If AGP were actually a debunking of transness, then I guess many cis women are actually trans men.

And I don't understand how cis women who masturbate to pictures of themselves relates to this at all. If the woman were dressing up as men, taking photos and masturbating to the images of themselves dressed as male then I see how you would include it, but otherwise I don't see the correlation?

AGP has been used as an explanation of gender dysphoria. That's what it is at its core. AGP in original theory and how it's been used has been used as an attempt to debunk someone's "transness". If AGP were actually a debunking of transness, then I guess many cis women are actually trans men.

What? OK, I'm completely lost. So because there are cis women who masturbate to pictures of themselves, this debunks the belief that autogynephilia exists? This is a confusing af concept your posing to me as is, but if women are masturbating to pictures of themselves, they're not being sexually aroused by the idea of themselves as the opposite sex. It's a female masturbating to themselves while being female (which I find extremely odd, but can easily believe happens) so how does this debunk autogynephilia in any way?

The big reason it was debunked: many cis women masturbate to their own image. AGP is only significant when you ignore what cis women do

Oh neat, I've always wondered how boots taste