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QuergonJiz t1_j6jy1zu wrote

The collective biomass of protozoa, bacteria, fungi and plants outweighs the rest of life on Earth by a huge margin.

Edit: Also interesting to note that when biomass is used as a measure of species success, cows are almost twice as successful as humans. Of course, the cow population is dependent on its symbiotic relationship with humans. The biomass of Artic Krill exceeds that of all humans as well. Were only an especially successfully species when when looking at the total amount of energy extracted from our environment, which greatly exceeds the calories stored in our bodies and the energy conversion necessary to hold it there.

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MikiLove OP t1_j6jxsab wrote

There's a definitely a debate to be had about Lincoln's actions and the extreme measures he took, but once bullets started firing everything changed. Lincoln didn't suspend habeus corpus and imprison dissenters until the South fired upon Northern troops. There's a big distinction.

And I'm not talking about 1808. I'm talking about 1860. The South were outliers among the Western world, and was viewed as such. Rich Southerners wanted to continue to have cheap labor, while also maintaining their racial superiority.

And I am not here to defend the actions of the Federal Government when it came to slavery. That was abhorrent. But what I can stay is the Federal Government got it correct when it came to slavery and the Civil War

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Nyghtshayde t1_j6jxonw wrote

It was! The Airbnb owners were a young engaged couple, I was their second guest ever. I had a birthday while I was there and they made me a cake. It was a really special trip and even though I was a bit disappointed at first to be so far from all the sights it kind of made it a bit special.

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NoBSforGma t1_j6jx3nw wrote

Yes, he was deported during the war. But BEFORE the war and BEFORE the states seceded, he supported allowing them to secede which was NOT treasonous.

Basically, Lincoln made the decision to not let the states secede. He was determined to hold the country together. He declared that anyone who spoke against the war would be arrested. Was this an overstep on his part? Kind of like the Patriot Act of recent years. Not allowed to speak out against the war because that was considered "treason." I am not saying it was a wrong thing to do -- just saying it's worth a debate or discussion.

The point I am trying to make is that rather than focus on Vallandigham's support of slavery and the South or focus on his shooting himself in court, to focus on the whole swirl of breaking the union and people's right to express their opinions about it (or not) and how that played out.

In the 1860's, slavery was viewed by many people as an amoral practice. But not 100%. Be realistic. Just like there are racists today, there were people who thought that it was OK because they were "taken care of" and introduced to Christianity. As more information became available about the actual conditions of slaves and slavery laws, more people were against it.

The slave trade was abolished in the US in 1808. In other words, no slaves could legally be imported into the US after that. But prior to that time, New England ship captains were definitely involved.

I think that mostly, the rich Southern plantation owners just wanted to be left alone so they could continue doing what they were doing. And that is...... raising cotton (mostly) and selling it and making money.

"Moral outlier?" Hm. Along with the destruction of Native Americans, I guess. Done by the Federal Government.

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ksdkjlf t1_j6jwdob wrote

First usage in American literature, but the phrase is much older. Billy Shakes used a florid variant in King Lear in 1608: "One that..art nothing but the composition of a knaue, begger, coward, pander, and the sonne and heire of a mungrell bitch."

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SpottedSharks2022 t1_j6jv5rx wrote

John Ordway noted in 1805-06 in his journal that the Native Americans the Corps of Discovery wintered near knew lots of English phrases, including S.O.B. They picked the phrases up from English merchant trading vessels.

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MikiLove OP t1_j6jv1my wrote

No... he was deported during the war, when he was openly supporting letting the states secede while they were killing Union soldiers.

And yes I support historical relativism, but even in the 1860's slavery was widely viewed as an amoral practice. America was one of the last Western nations to abolish slavery, and the Northern states were universally moving towards either abolishing it or preventing its expansion. Also, no new slaves were allowed to be shipped in for over a decade before this, so New England ship captains were not involved. Only the rich Southern planation owners wanted to expand it. Even in those times the South was a moral outlier

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hateful_surely_not t1_j6juu0d wrote

There are good things about the 1619 project, but they're all duplicative of previous, better work. The general idea of hypocritical liberty goes back to Frederick Douglass or even before (Douglass gave it the best, most pointed treatment); the long-term impact of slavery and racism has been the subject of countless scholarly and popular works over the last 20 years. Without the false, radical revisionism, it's just kinda bland and pointless.

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