The financially better off branch probably had kids at a later age after they or their husbands were educated and started careers. There are advantages to this, and it makes building multigenerarional wealth easier. I know plenty of 30 something year old grandparents, teen pregnancy follows a trend in working class families. By the time I had my first kid, my classmates that had children right out of high-school were showing me their grandkids photos. A 2:1 ratio in generational age gap seems pretty plausable. Also possible, her branch just tended to be the youngest siblings and yours tended to be the oldest siblings and I am just pulling things out of thin air.

In many important senses, PA, NJ, and NY are New England, because of the history.

Ohio also has or had a turnpike, but that's because Pennsylvania called theirs a turnpike.

I wonder if any states not connected to New England proper have turnpike other than Ohio.

But it is both, and this has been covered by people a couple times.

I say both, but I also had no idea how much my language was bent by having a dyed in the wool New England Yankee around from childhood.

Down the pike from roadways, and down the pipe from aqueducts, and later pneumatic tube messenging systems

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pneumatic_tube

In fact, some of the people following up on this thought it more likely to be down the pipe "originally" or at least dominantly as pneumatic tube messages just show up without warning, whereas anything coming down the highway gives ample warning before arrival.

Language is general is fun. Hawaii and New England share lots of weird similarities that the rest of the US apparently does not. For me Aunt does not rhyme with Ant (that's not so uncommon because Auntie never rhymes with anty). And apparently this is the New England way as well. Tomahto is also not uncommon and that too is a New Englandism. Zoris too.

Apparently my grandpa lived in a town near there that no longer exists because the pit expanded to where the town once was.

I'm not your comrade, fellow traveler!

How do you feel about the theories regarding gravity?

That stat was pulled from the Utah Physicians for a Healthy environment, link. I recognize this is an interest group.

But with that said, it was also revealed this month that a single magnesium plant makes 10-25% of all PM 2.5 air pollution in the Valley. Interesting snippet from the NOAA report: “Prior to the NOAA study, the chemical composition of PM 2.5 in northern Utah, and how it forms, had received considerably less attention than in other regions of the nation despite the severity of the problem in Utah.” https://research.noaa.gov/article/ArtMID/587/ArticleID/2931/One-facility-makes-a-big-contribution-to-Salt-Lake’s-winter-brown-cloud

I believe Utah State University (will need to double check) is launching a further investigation into who pollutes the most. It’s shocking really that we don’t track this seriously, but the state government turns a blind eye, as industry always gets what they want. I’d expect further studies to be quite damning of industry, and especially Rio Tinto.

The Utah Physicians for a Healthy Environment, here’s the link https://www.uphe.org/priority-issues/rio-tinto-kennecott/.

And the Daybreak source are friends who were original Daybreak owners from the mid 2000s. The rules might have changed, but per the Salt Lake Tribune, the ground water below the city is heavily contaminated (estimated for the next 40-100 years) with heavy metals as Daybreak is a former tailings pond. The Deseret News did an interesting piece on a cancer cluster in residents around the Daybreak development. They claim Daybreak is safe, but it still will always be an EPA Superfund site. Obviously developers will bury anything that gets in the way of money. But I don’t think it’s prudent to say there will be zero consequences.

Martha was my 13th great grandmother. TIL somehow also Taylor Swift’s 7th great grandmother. Don’t know how she has so many fewer generations in there.

NY state has counties named Kings, Queens, Dutchess (old time spelling) but Dukes ended up somewhere in the middle of the ocean?

The size makes the bigger-than-a-house dump trucks look small.

Personally, I'd think that that was where they had proposed.

Them Duke boys are at it again...

For reference, 1 mile = 5280 feet.

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Everything on the surface of the earth is visible from space. It depends on your optics. Technically an ant is visible from space.

Personal insults and an apparent inability to comprehend what I wrote. Bye.

Not defending the mine but I don't see how it could possibly produce 30% of pollution in the valley. Where'd you hear that?

Also there are community gardens at Daybreak. Definitely not true that you can't grow food there because of toxic ground. Maybe because of HOA regulations.

Given the Great Salt Lake isn't visible from space, I find it hard to believe something much smaller could be

Probably downdrafts and updrafts

If you've ever sent Santa a letter to the North Pole, there's a good chance it was read by a middle schooler in Interior Alaska. We did not have a cool name.

Im sorry what? I am an environmental geologist who was trained at the university of Utah. I have studied this subject in depth. everything you have said is completely wrong. industry as a whole accounts for around 10% of Utah's air pollution. I have never seen a single publication putting Kennecott's numbers anywhere close to 30% the highest number I have ever seen for them was 18% of total pollutants and that was including every gram of overburden moved. also daybreak exists as part of a massive cleanup project. all of that land has been cleaned to an inch of its life and millions of dollars have been put into cleaning up the water in that area.

ya, and being built on tailings in a flood plain isn't exactly neat either.

You are so dumb. If you go to an Indian restaurant in the UK, it’s still an Indian restaurant. It’s not a British restaurant.

It’s an Indian restaurant in Britain. No one’s advocating for banning curries in the UK.

Victim mentality is strong too you big baby.

No clue who downvoted you, solid advice. Also you can still cook popcorn bags just by emptying them into a pot and cooking it stove top. It came in handy when my sister didn’t have power to run her microwave.