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DavoTB t1_jebpbgc wrote

Late 60’s TV in the US ran public service commercials regularly about kids eating lead paint. One of the most memorable featured a soulful tune with the lyrics:

”….Paint chips peelin’ from the ceiling…and my baby’s dead…

…Eatin’ paint and plaster, I went and called the doctor…

“Convulsions, lead poisonin’… the ghetto malaria…Why, Lord, why?”

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taxiSC t1_jebp1df wrote

His plays were immensely popular with "ordinary Brits" though, so I do think there was something they could connect with. Even if they didn't interact with black people, they'd interact with people other "races" fairly often -- be they Irish, Greek, Arab, or whatever. And they were certainly willing to be highly prejudiced against those groups -- some of whom are known to be "swarthier" than the inhabitants of the UK.

It's a vastly different interaction with race than the modern day one, of course. Othello is as much about Othello being from a population that tends to be Muslim as it is about his having dark skin or African features. That's not as present a concern with modern day racism (although it does still crop up a bit).

I don't think your point is entirely unfair, but I do think it's overstated and a bit too focused on racism being against Africans specifically -- people of color is a broader term and was the one OP was using. Also, the current trend is to view racism as something that doesn't need to be intentional -- evaluated on it's impact instead of it's intent, I think it's easy to say the phrase "lily white skin" being an ideal of beauty is a definition that inherently leaves some races out. Unfortunately, the current trend also seems to be to view these instances of unintentional racism as as evil as targeted and malicious racism. Which is, frankly, crazy. We should be able to recognize something as harmful and learn to avoid it in the future without needing to assign malice to actions that had none.

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dromni t1_jeboehn wrote

Even in many countries were almost everyone is black or brown lighter skin tends to be preferred.

I once saw some theory that because women in average tend to have lighter skin than men of the same race that was associated with femininity by many civilizations. Richer men would then marry women with lighter skin. Give it a few generations, and there would always be an elite / aristocracy with lighter skin than the plebeians, regardless of the main race of the population.

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Ibalegend t1_jebnjoz wrote

yeah my favorite detail that changes with the hades and persephone myth is the context for it, it can be drastically different between versions and its interesting to see

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TrumpterOFyvie t1_jebnh77 wrote

But this isn't the reason for the preference of lily white Caucasian skin over tanned Caucasian skin, which is what we're talking about here. You'll note that white supremacists don't give a shit whether or not a white person has a tan or not. Just that they're Caucasian.

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Minion_Soldier t1_jebn672 wrote

If we can't build things anywhere in Virginia that could be considered a "historic site", then basically the entire state should be off limits for new construction. And considering the planned Disney site is now subdivisions and data centers, I have doubts the site really had much historic value.

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EarthBoundMisfitEye t1_jeblzey wrote

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SeiCalros t1_jebltvi wrote

i think theres a limit to the practical utility of reasoning with a person who refuses to recognize that the literal concept of 'white=better' is intrinsically associated with white supremacy

but i guess theres merit in the entertainment value of it

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worldofoysters t1_jeblnrb wrote

Oddly enough, Hay's Secretary of State - John Hay - had also been Garfield's Assistant Secretary of State and close acquaintance. And also a much younger man, Hay was also a secretary to Lincoln, and surrogate son, and present at his deathbed.

Probably the only man to have been present at the deaths of three US presidents

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LordUpton t1_jeblh5n wrote

The alternative would be never having stuff like Disney world or corporations lobbying the government for compulsory purchases. People were happy to take their money when offered, it's a bit bullshit to turn around and complain that if you knew that you could hold them hostage that you would have.

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TrumpterOFyvie t1_jeble7v wrote

Yes they existed. But not in great number and usually limited to large metropolises. English people outside of London had not mixed with black people, no. And we're not talking about the 1920's here. We're talking pre 1800's. Stop calling people dense when you have no idea what you're talking about.

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BrownAleRVA t1_jebl7nh wrote

IIRC, this is what happened at his California park. Bunch of non-Disney things popped up all around the area. He wanted his own magic place so he secretly bought up land in Orlando.

After it became known that it was Disney, there still was a rush to buy up property around it but Walt planned on that. The land had a large buffer zone to the actual parks. So anything built around the disney owned land wasnt going to be near anything.

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pfp-disciple t1_jebkzjl wrote

He had an interesting role in Her Alibi as well. I still recall his comment after his girlfriend (acquaintance? It's been a decade or more) had her stomach pumped and said something about the being the biggest thing she's ever had on her mouth. He said "That's not what I've heard." So deadpan and dripping with innuendo.

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