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gentlybeepingheart t1_jecu1xb wrote

the first time it shows up framed as an actual version of the myth is in the 1970s from a book called “Lost Goddesses of Early Greece” by Charlene Spretnak. Spretnak does not cite any sources.

All ancient sources (Homeric Hymn, Apollodorus, Diodorus Siculus, even Ovid) have her taken unwillingly and tricked/forced into consuming the pomegranate seeds.

She does, ultimately, come to love Hades, as evidenced by other myths, but she never chooses to stay in the first place.

Alongside being a myth about the seasons changing, it would also be relatable to mothers and daughters in ancient Greece. Because daughters were essentially property of their fathers, neither they nor the mother had true legal control over who she would marry. I'm sure that there were plenty of men who did care about the wishes of their wives and daughters, but there was really no recourse if someone decided "Hey, we're marrying you off to this older man."

So, it's also a myth about marriage. In the Homeric Hymn to Demeter, Helios tells Demeter that she should be happy that, out of all the people Zeus gave Persephone to, he chose someone so very rich and well respected. Persephone is frightened and distressed in the underworld, but later learns that it's not all that bad, and she enjoys an immense amount of power and respect. So, Greeks are told

  • Your new husband may seem scary, but with time you will grow to accept and enjoy your role as a wife.
  • You may be sad about the loss of your daughter, but she will be much more fortunate with a good husband.
  • You can decide unilaterally to give your daughter to someone, but things go much more smoothly if your wife is consulted about it beforehand.
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nomad_556 OP t1_ject3o3 wrote

Standards were different back then. Heavy customs enforcement wasn’t a thing like it is now. Hell, even in the last 20 years it’s taken a while to heavily enforce them.

I knew a staff sergeant once who was deployed to the Middle East in the early 2000s. He told me a about how when he was on deployment they destroyed a hostile truck (believe it was a car bomb, don’t quite recall).

In the wreckage of that truck he found some prayer beads, perfectly unharmed. He took them and brought them home. Back then during customs the tape they’d use to signal baggage had been checked wasn’t permanent. All he did was wait for the inspectors to slap the tape on and turn their backs, then into his luggage went the beads.

Still has them hanging in his car to this day.

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SeiCalros t1_jecsoqg wrote

>But that isn't what white supremacy is, you idiot.

ah yes forgive me for being such an idiot to have developed the misconception that white supremacy was somehow related to skin colour 🤡

>considering the anglo Saxon white supremacists targeted the Irish

really? tell me professor history 🤡 how long did that last 🤡🤡

seems in retrospect there may have been some quality the irish had that inhibited the persistency of that categorism

too bad its nothing obvious 🤡

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themagicbong t1_jecscoi wrote

While not a nuke, had a girlfriend once who's dad kept his M4 from his service. I'd have never seen/held one otherwise. I was helping her with something and outta nowhere was like "Is that a fuckin m4 in your attic?" and no, he did not have any sort of licenses or anything to have it.

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alien_ghost t1_jecrwr1 wrote

That's an interesting take. In the case of Egyptian version, the "Milky Way" was created when Atum rubbed one out.
"No animals were harmed in the creation of this galaxy."

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wallabee_kingpin_ t1_jecr6js wrote

If you want to be pedantic, there's no such thing as "race" in the first place. It isn't a scientific concept, can't be defined, and can't be tested.

Ethnicity is a real thing though, and in places like India, you have (for example) dark-skinned Dravidians in parts of the country and then light-skinned Aryan-descended people in the north.

These are people with historically different cultures who mostly stayed within their ethnicity, leading to them having stereotypically different skin colors -- what we could call "race" in the US.

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