This is it for hunting.

https://legislature.vermont.gov/statutes/section/10appendix/001/00014

I’m not sure if it is different for general posting and not to be a dick, but I’m beat, long day at work. I can try to find it tomorrow.

yeah that is dope, i like shit like that

i mean that is the catch 22 isn't it. No one wants to build anything besides luxary homes because building anything else is either too difficult due to zoning or doesn't yeild enough profit. That leads to too few workers, so you can't really build too many large scale industries, which means there isn't much attraction to the state.

My solution is the same as always, build massive amounts of public housing.

Yeah, there are a lot of those. I’m not sure why people lack basic decency anymore. Someone else got downvoted to oblivion for saying it, but part of it is the new Vermonters. Lots moved here after visiting and recreating on open land and don’t realize that there is a lot of good will and relationship building that go into our open land doctrine.

Right?!

They're saying this all as if there aren't people who live here year round, who need to be able to live near where they work!

Edit: are we really saying a shortage of dentists is what makes Vermont, Vermont too? Really?

what a garbage take

Here’s the problem: word spreads, even signage is overlooked. “oh they don’t mind, it’s fine!” Until it’s way out of control. First it’s just adjoining neighbors, then their friends come, then their friends, etc. You might have to start having a conversation with some of these unwelcome guests.

I think, in Vermont, these things are handled best by word of mouth. Tell a trusted friend you are not happy and ask them to spread the word of what’s ok and what is not ok.

Show up in town meeting to announce it. Put a post on Front Porch Forum.

I’d suggest Permission Only signs along your entire perimeter.

http://vtfishandwildlife.com/learn-more/landowner-resources/private-land-and-public-access/what-posting-means

Oh, totally agree. I was using "trespassers" interchangeably with "entitled douche canoes".

What are the posting requirements? Every 100 ft?

I just bought land and have wondered how to handle this issue. Do you post no trespassing or just rules?

I think this is one of those times when we're all right, you, me, every reply on this thread.

Building owners need help with renovations that would let them come up to code, people w/ extra space but no landlord skills need help getting them, towns need help setting up policies that encourage local affordable full-time residencies.

"I've got that extra room downstairs that could be a small apartment, but I heard of one friend who did that and...[insert horror story about bad tenant, theft, losing food/heating assistance, taxes doubling etc here]" is something I've heard from more than one local.

People are afraid to create housing in their existing homes, there's way too many ways it can go south if you don't have the legal/handyman chops. Owning housing is a business/skill like any other, it's a job, and not everyone's cut out to do it -- and if you screw up, you can really get hosed.

>nothing meaningful ever happens

With you there. :/

Vermont means Green Mountain not Change Nothing.

Nimbys don't represent this state, they make it worse.

I think you'll find that a lot of people here think that if wages were better and housing were accessible, Vermont wouldn't be Vermont.

Just to be pendantic, if they gain access via the unposted 50 acres, they are not trespassing and are just dicks

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uhh what

First day in VT?

VT land is considerd open unless posted and then the posting requirements are fairly strict.

Once upon a time the only people doing much outside were hunters, and most were trained on the ethics and courteousness that you describe in regards to asking permission and paying back with some sort of good deed.

Nowadays with people recreating it many other ways, many don’t even stop and consider getting permission to be somewhere on their skis or whatever. Not to mention a lot of hunters are new age hunters who aren’t privy to the old ways

Yeah, the $900 was based on what was left of the 6% in tax that VT charges - essentially it's after they subtracted what I paid in NC. But that was based on my current estimated value, not new price or even my end of lease buyout price. Strange.

Exactly correct. Part of my work involves evictions.

I hope you don't tailgate people the way a lot of other Vermonters do.

My parents could have written this post word for word. Unfortunately, within the past 15 years they've had to post the land. The farm has been in my dad's family for 200+ years. Gates opened, fences cut and squashed, a hay field used for off-roading, unsafe hunters, you name it. It's really sad. Long-time neighbors know they're always welcome (and always ask), but unfortunately use of open land is becoming more and more abused.

Call dnr on tresspassers. Do not get involved. All states requirecurrent permisiion, most in writting.

There is tons of public land in VT. My land is posted and will be strictly enforced.

Hey that’s not entirely accurate. People in our town used to do great things and eat better food in Boston, San Fran and DC too…