My work colleagues told me they had to drive thru tunnels of snow on main roads to get to work in the 50s. Yeah, sure, I said. They said, Don’t believe us? Go to the library, see for yourself. So I did. OMG they were right!!

Probably have a better shot getting someone to drive up from the Springfield, MA or Hartford, CT areas, where there are actual clubs.

We got here early 70s—bitter cold decade. Tons o’ snow, no money so we shoveled everything ourselves incl steep driveway w killer curve at bottom, like a luge run. 80s & 90s were even snowier; we shoveled tons then too but began hiring plowmen. 2015 was ridiculous: 7’ thru season here and 9’ in Boston area, which is where I had to drive many days & months to help care for a dear old relative. Shoveling there was massive cuz the humidity made the snow heavy and I needed to carve out a parking space for my car in his apartment bldg parking lot—after dark. I had enuf to do on the living-level surfaces; when I skied it was x-c—I left the summits to the gods & still do. Happy trails in ’23

As someone who has lived here for 33 years I can tell you there is absolutely a change in our winters and summers that is pretty drastic. Just because you don’t see it or your political leanings don’t allow you to doesn’t mean it’s not happening.

Brand new moo!

I know like 8 of this guy, play pool with one of them sometimes.

Oh and this

Heat dome shattered records over the holiday

I had fingers crossed for Woodstock. That store is easier to rob during the day because the cops hide out across the street at night hoping to catch truckers driving US 4.

seeing this now accelerating in real time is really harshin' my trip. I guess it's over the cliff, to the point of no return it is. We had a good run boys n girls.

Go to gene autry and the crackhead that hangs out by LuLu will be right over

Make cows the new dogs! It's been a week. We need a new thing!

You miss the entire concept of climate change.

> My biggest concern as someone who works and lives off the land is that slow increase allowing bugs and diseases to come in and effect our ecosystem

Any given 'past week' is about as significant to climate as one day is to your health over the course of the year.

Bugs, ya say? I had a homestead north of Jeff and its of great concern for sure. Bees and worms disappearing ... more ticks ... tomato and japanese beetles ... whether its my farm or orchards or hemp or any Ag industry, the new now is obvious.

All this is caused by a warming trend; that's going to continue for the next 50 years.

Including the 'exceptional' day mid-winter when its warmer than usual - its the 'usual' part thats going to be harder getting used to :)

That's all of VT/NH/ME, pretty much.

I've lived in all 3 and it's the same story at every lake and mountain.

> I literally have worked outside, every day, in Vermont, for the last thirty years.

So have I. I think you perceive yourself as much the outlier as the rando warm days you cite to cling to a point that is obtusely incorrect. And try as others have to politely inform you why/how, you'd rather trust that perceptivity than take another look and re-consider that you're more wrong and everyone else is more right on this.

Not to rub it in but I read this from Palm Springs, CA and I could probably yell this in the middle of the street and find someone to come over.

> just like the weather this past week has nothing to do with climate change.

This past week, one random day mid-winter.....

Every warm December for the past 10 years has to do with climate change, seen if you're not a juvi idiot.

Sure there's El Nino / La Nina years you could cite as examples of normal cycles; but even those have been affected.

I think you need to give posting a break and get outdoors more.

> misinformed hysteria is good if it leads ...

Hah, that's a good one. First, I really don't see hysterical people running around in their Dentons going all chicken little. Second, who's misinformed? That countdown clock wrong? Can't believe yer lyin' eyes?

I sincerely hope you're an old boomer cuz I doubt you'll make it through the churn that's coming. And I'm neither misinformed nor hysterical.

In Orange and Washington County I would say I haven’t seen much of a difference in our weather patterns in the last 30 years. We’ve seen a 3 degree increase in average temps over 100 years, which is scary as hell. My biggest concern as someone who works and lives off the land is that slow increase allowing bugs and diseases to come in and effect our ecosystem. I’m completely not denying climate change, but this past weeks weather has nothing to do with that.

Yes. That obviously makes you an expert on climate change and weather patterns. I’m sorry you’ve never had a day off.

Read the article it’s winter temp not overal, and it’s Burlington not the state as a whole. For the full year BTV has warmed 4.5 degrees. The state 3. Also yes a January thaw happens. It happens at the end of the month though. You clearly don’t pay any attention when you are working if you don’t notice the difference. Crawl back in your hole of disbelief

In the contrary I’m all for civil discourse. He did however completely misinterpret a lot of my comments. I’d say I’m fairly stubborn, but I read and listen to enough science and history that I wouldn’t consider myself naive. Anything else you would like to know about how I perceive myself?

Today's weather is the same as every December for the past 10yrs; maybe going into Jan a few days is not common, but snow never really starts until after the new year and lasts a bit longer into April. Sure, there were random 60deg days in Feb, that's not rare. But for the past 10yrs, there's been a big change.

FWIW, climate change should be "brought up every single" season, winter included. Maybe not the goto cheeky comeback, better than 'woke' weather, i suppose.

Down-easters' (storms moving up from the southeast) used to reach Jay. My driveway would need a frontend loader to move the snow bank back twice/winter.

Now, those storms rarely make it north of Killington/#4. And, the jet stream blowing down from the northwest, one that used to make Montreal/Quebec warmer than Burlington/N.VT are now blowing further south into VT; colder with less precipitation.

And, IMO, this is just a taste of seasons to come, grow zones going up a notch, bug issues, lost resources. Though I appreciate spending less on cordwood and motrin, it comes with a sadface; knowing the impact it'll have on younger local natives.

2030's gonna make 2022 look good by comparison.

I literally have worked outside, every day, in Vermont, for the last thirty years. And, once again, January thaws happen pretty much every year.

Anyways, it’s interesting to see your article states a 7 degree increase over 50 years, while the state says 3 degrees over the last 100.

Maybe we agree more than you think- just don’t take away from the severity of the problem by downplaying it. Weather is not climate, I agree, but y’all should be freaking out or changing or freaking out to change. Either way, if we don’t do something like ask “why is it so damn warm here?” we are going to suffer together