Exactly

It is happening here, it’s a global problem regardless of where the symptoms present themselves. If you have chicken pox, you don’t point at the area of skin inbetween the red bumps and say “no bump here, I am not sick”.

It seems you’re trying to say “you’re not using 💯 precision in the way you present climate change and this is off putting to some people and counter productive.” And you’re right, we are generally never super precise when we communicate complicated problems as a society. Humans tend to simplify concepts to improve the ability to communicate the main idea. If this is something that bothers you, don’t poke the bear online and get grumpy when it growls at you.

If you mean to say that by simplifying climate change on Reddit I am going to cause people to take it less seriously- sure that may happen but honestly it doesn’t matter. If I get just one more person to think about it just a little more I’ve achieved my goal. It’s here, it’s happening, it’s happening to Vermont (ask your local ski resort what they’re seeing). I don’t care if you think todays weather is not because of global climate change - the big picture is what’s important, and being proactively alarmist about this problem is better than saying it’s not happening in my back yard so it’s not my problem. Again you’re being very precise with your argument, but you’re not accurate.

cheapest eggs at Shaws last week were 5.50 a dozen

Cheaper to just buy your eggs at a grocery store!

What's your answer then

Let’s be real, we aren’t going to get our act together. I wish that wasn’t the case, but climate change is going to cause more conflict not greater cooperation.

Yes, it can happen here just like it’s happening there, but my point is that it’s not happening here. Saying things are an effect of climate change when they aren’t doesn’t move people towards adapting to climate change and making the correct responses, IMO it instead moves people to dismiss climate change.

No. Get reservations. Anything outdoors here sells out fast.

Too young here, but I do remember the ice storms the week of the challenger disaster and the big snowstorm in '93

Be careful with shipping containers. Used ones could have compromised structural issues, and potentially lead based paint to survive the salt water spray. I would not want lead paint around chickens.

I do not in the slightest bit disregard climate change. I’ve had to change forage production calculations and go more towards warm season annuals for grazing instead of my classic cool season perennials. On the forestry side of my operation I’m currently looking at what to do with my 40 acre hemlock plot, as the woolly insect is probably coming to Orange County sooner rather than later. It leaves me questioning how to keep a vital deer yard active when I know they will be losing the crucial part of what makes it a deer yard. Should I cut heavy and plant trees that will make it in the next 40 years, or plan for regen as I always have? It’s also depressing cutting all my ash because it’s better to harvest a healthy tree now while the markets decent than it is to watch it die from the borers.

As you said, the weather in the last week is about as significant to climate as one day of your health is to your lifetime. And I really think it’s important for people to address the actual effects and what we need to do to adapt to climate change instead of freaking out because it’s in the 40’s in January.

May I ask how many chickens you own and how much acreage you have?

Nothing to even thaw, used to be a couple weeks straight in the teens at this point even 10 years ago and its been above 40

Constitutional carry state. Strap up

Thanks. That is honestly exactly the point I’m trying to make. Not once have I dismissed the reality of climate change in any of my comments, on the contrary as a diversified farmer in Vermont climate change scares the shit out of me and I’m already seeing the need to change practices to adapt for the inevitable.

But it’s equally frustrating to me to see people dismiss climate change on a cold day as it is for people to say “look at this climate change” on a hot day. Weather isn’t climate, and as you said, precision in language is extremely important. But heaven forbid I say anything to that point or I’ll be downvoted and have a million assumptions made about my politics, age, and general ignorance.

Saying it’s a “January thaw” would suggest that we’ve already had winter at this point. A couple snowfalls here and there through December, with most of it melting in between, is not typical winter weather if you look back 20-30 years and more. Unless you’re up in elevation, or in the NEK, there is no snowpack or accumulation right now. Looking out the window, this could be a rainy day in April. Zero white stuff. Most lakes aren’t even frozen yet. This is no January Thaw.

Well I figured I'd ask here to see if anyone knew any more reliable details because when I look online it seems like I could get a container for around 1,700 but of course other sites say they are know 15,000 so the range is huge. A nice shed at home depot is like 3,500 but you still need to assemble and floor it. I would prefer a nice coop but honestly want what's going to be the cheapest and easiest because they already have an enclosed coop in run that I fortified really well so it's not coming out of there. Whatever I get I will have to build a chicken tunnel to connect them

I’ll listen to it in a bit, always up for a good podcast recommendation.

I think OP was roughly making a point about the imprecision of language used here and hasn’t made any points that would call into question the realities of climate change. IMHO, precision is terribly important when we talk about this because we stand to lose people when we make statements such as ‘x weather event was caused by climate change’ or, as has been said in other words, ‘a warm snap is blamed on climate change’… Because then it’s just as easy for an ignoramus to state the inverse when it’s cold. None of those statements are data driven.

That’s how I took the post. I understand this is a sensitive issue for all of us but we could all do better in encouraging conversation about how to effectively communicate it.

It seems irrelevant because you don't understand the correlation

A shipping container would cost you around $4000. I’d build a coop before spending that much. Or try Craigslist for a cheap one. How much are you looking to spend?

Hey OP, give this a listen, based on your other comments I think you’ll enjoy it!! Ologies: Meterology

“The snow don’t stick but the sweat sure does.” is how I have been summing it up to people in a quip.

Kitchens want you. The ones who are paying dirt are on the fast track to closing, don’t go down with them. Don’t accept any low ball offers cuz they will come, but most place are starting people out between $18-25 depending on experience, personality and displayed skills.

Contact Frog Meadow B&B in Newfane, and/or the Ladies of the Rainbow in Brattleboro (I believe they're on FB). They would be good sources for local knowledge and performers. (Alas, I gave that kind of job up some decades ago, and I am reduced to wheezing after shaking my belly for 10 minutes now....lol)

Tks! $20 an hour for part time sounds great to me.