If thats your experience you have shitty friends lol

Joining in with all those who morn the L&M. That place that the best pancakes and french toast.

I know RockArt allows them inside and the 2 breweries by me allow them. Is that just a Stowe thing? Because I know Vermont allows them inside as long as strict protocol is met. ie: napkins / utensils etc are stored in closed cabinets.

We are getting 1.8 right now (Orange County) just started tapping (always start in Jan, 40k+ taps takes a long time)

Sucks dumping 1.8 so we might as well start boiling. Haha

We are getting 1.8 sugar right now, just started tapping. Can’t justify dumping sap at 1.8, but weren’t really ready to boil. Probably gonna start.

I'm curious what you're going to do for fun during 6 months of 40-degree weather.

Honestly, it hasn't even been going below freezing at night recently lmao

BUT, the sap isn't the same. 1.2% sugar right now vs 2% in the spring means MUCH more energy intensive to get product from your sap.

They don't have calendars, but they sure know something about the length of the day! Like temperature, it's pretty relevant to their basic operations

Another thing is that the sap right now is SUPER low in sugar content. During usual sugaring season the sugar content of the sap is usually about 2%. Right now it's about 1.2%. That means that it takes nearly twice as much energy to boil the sap down. BUT, you are left with a lighter (both in color and taste) syrup.

For this reason you will see all but the largest producers holding off right now. The math just doesn't check out. Hell I have two of the biggest producers in state literally in my back yard and neither of them bothered to get going for this run. I think they are thinking of starting to tap just to be ready for what seems like it will be an early season.

Health codes prohibit it, so you're unlikely to find many places that will allow it.

I heard someone call it Eternal November the other day

From what I heard on the radio, folks are tapping but the sugar content is lower than normal so you'll need more sap to get syrup.

Oh bummer! They used to

Well a simple google search also told me earth was flat but I know that’s not true because it contradicts others facts.

Like the fact that even the high desert states like Wyoming could contain more snow at a given time, not to mention mountain ranges….

So whatever that statement is based on is using some creative metrics.

Biggest one is the fact that eastern Snow doesn’t stick around nearly as late either…. There are literal glaciers out west that never melt, even in Nevada.

Not allowed inside unfortunately. At least per their website.

Stowe Cider

Wait , trees don’t know the dates ?????? Funny . I’m sure people will tap out real early this year

I upgraded to an Ikon Pass this year, sorry.

We ain't your villain guy

Does that tree have cancer? WTF

Literally addressed 0 of my arguments. My main point was that the things that cause ski resorts to be bad for the environment stem from larger problems such as fossil fuel and lack of public transport, and as such, ski resorts aren't inherently bad for the environment.

The problems with climate change cannot be solved by a few pieces of legislation on state levels as it would require a mass global effort to completely rework all infrastructure and global economic systems. And we all know that's not gonna happen.

Because of that I don't see the point of you bringing up ski resorts

Eat More Kake

I have nothing against ski hills. I love them.

But.

You live in a fantasy world. And love to cherry pick data.

Sure. Everyone skiing in Vermont are locals at Cochrans. Remind me of that after the next snow dump on the way up to Killington or Stowe while you sit between gargantuan idling SUV's for hours.

Sure, we have this amazing clean power grid.

The majority of the NE power grid comes from burning gas.

Sure, Vermont can afford publicly funded trains running people all over the state.

See The Champlain Flyer, VT population and already unsustainable tax burden.

You live in a fantasy world where you pick and choose what is bad based on what you like and want.

Facts are facts. The truth is real.

Still don't know how my mainer ass got here but yeah we miss the snow