Recent comments in /f/vermont

sound_of_apocalypto t1_j4g8zi4 wrote

My wife and I hiked Mt. Osceola and wanted to take some photos at the overlook but one family (that was not white) hogged the spot for the entire time we were there (we even ate lunch). They refused to decenter themselves. This is not a race thing, it's a considerate person/non-considerate person thing and maybe more of an urban person in nature thing or entitled person thing, I don't know. We never once attributed their behavior to their race.

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pink-peonies_ t1_j4g8ylp wrote

I grew up poor (and white) in Vermont. While I could never afford to snowboard or ski growing up, I didn’t feel like I wouldn’t belong out there simply due to the color of my skin. It is incredibly myopic as a white person to try and say that there’s no problem here. It’s unfair for us to say how someone else feels without having lived that experience ourselves. We need to listen and be open minded.

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TechNizza t1_j4g856p wrote

Who peed in your Cherios this morning? People are fatigued frome race discussions that are baseless, including PoCs. You make assumptions on the race of people who disagree yet never thought to think that is a racist mindset since you're sorting opinions by race.

Feel free to do the comment/post history to discredit me since you did that to another commenter, but it doesn't change anything stated above.

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smokeythemechanic t1_j4g7k00 wrote

I used to hike with a sudanese girl a lot here like hundreds of miles a year, she was always in better shape than me and left VT for Colorado for bigger mountains. While I see less poc here I'd argue percentage wise there are as many people of color that enjoy the outdoors as there are white people like it's still only 5% of white people that get off their ass, the more you hike the more you see the same person in a different corner of the state no matter what color you are. If you want to be outside on a mountain, you will be, not a race thing, a personal motivation thing.

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Hellrazor32 t1_j4g6e9z wrote

I’m cringing SO hard at these comments. If you really and truly feel like Black and POC people are given equal opportunities to exist outdoors, but are open to changing your mind, PLEASE check out Alexis Nikole Nelson aka The Black Forrager. She’s done lots of podcasts and interviews about the risks involved in being Black in the outdoors, and about the history of white people intentionally preventing POC from having access to natural resources in order to aid racial oppression. There’s another great podcast called Ologies that has an epic episode about Black bird watchers, who started on online community after a black man who was watching birds in a public park got the cops called on him by a white woman.

Do NOT tell me that white hikers on the AT haven’t refused to share a lean-to because a black camper was “sketchy” when really, he was just a regular dude who was black. I’ve seen it happen. Do NOT tell me that the 2nd whitest state in the country has never excluded POC from many activities, including outdoor ones, especially when I was standing right there when a white Vermonter said “I thought you guys didn’t like the cold” to my black friend while out snowshoeing.

Racism takes many forms. Passive aggressive exclusion is one of them. A lot of white people participate in this particular form of racism without even realizing it. Northern racism feels different from Southern racism, but is still very much alive and well. Believe black people when they say they’re not welcome. Advocate for them and prioritize their comfort. It’s a no-brainer.

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monkeybeast55 t1_j4g66z3 wrote

Oh yeah, by no means am I anti vax for humans! I get the flu shot every year and have had all the Covid shots. For poultry populations I was just reflecting on the article, and my comment about herd immunity was based on the article's mention on the potential for herd immunity in wild populations.

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cpujockey t1_j4g4y3o wrote

The fact that no punitive damages were awarded is fucking incredible.

UVM med should burn for this. It took only one entitled employee on vacation with a corporate laptop, a VPN connection and reading personal email to cripple the health care system.

Well done UVM med. You're not too big to fail - you're failing all on your own.

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cpujockey t1_j4g45pi wrote

Yeah that is true. But you're still not out $200 bucks. Even if you bought 4 new pairs of Walmart boots you're still not out $200.

Price doesn't also denote quality. I've seen a lot of tear down videos about boots and testing from project farm and other YouTube channels. People are more interested in being a meme than practical.

I know what it's like to be poor. I was growing up and through most of my adult life. Being poor means you're paying a lot more for a lot less.

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