It’s really not a lot of effort and I don’t understand why you’re being so negative. It seems like you want to argue and that’s not beneficial.

Great article. It really puts some historical perspective on why there aren't more POC out on the trails.

Phew, you're taking it even further now.

Isn't it a lot more work to write out all those paragraphs rather than just saying, "I do care, but it won't change the outcome."

Down in Southern Vermont the main industries are going to be C&S Warehouse, construction, logging and farming. As far as drug screening, you'll have to check out the job postings and websites of each organization before applying. Make sure you have a job secured before moving. You'll probably have to rent because home prices are high in comparison with the average wage. The entire state is family friendly with relatively good schools, but southern VT is the first stop for hard drug runners coming up from Mass. You'll probably see at least one trooper on the side of I-91 watching for sus cars if you're coming up from the south.

Be aware, if you're coming in from a place like Texas (tons of Texas folks coming out here to CO for weed right now) you need to understand we don't have many chain fast food places, big box stores, or much of a night life. Everything is very mom and pop, and the state basically closes up at around 8pm. The winters are long, cold, and dark, so make friends and pick up a hobby, because that's the only way to survive out here.

ffs

Shalimar. I just think their food rocks. I've only got carry out from the place, but the restaurant seems nice.

Car looks newish. I bet they make a lot of cheddar.

North West Ohio

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Though I have connections to Middlebury, I live in GA, which has a large percentage of African-Americans; you will observe the same phenomena down South.

There is a real problem with people of color not feeling comfortable in outdoor recreational spaces. It’s something that has been well studied and just because you don’t think it’s a problem doesn’t mean it’s not.

I would say Ann Arbor, MI, but check out the Huron River PFAS/hexavalent chrome situation and the dioxane plumes. The area is great for families, education, and cannabis, but the pollution is severe and is why my family moved to Vermont from Ann Arbor. Ann Arbor and Burlington are really similar cities. Burlington has its own demons though. The opioid epidemic is much worse in the NE than SE MI. The secret is out on Vermont too. So many people moving here that housing is very scarce. Vermont's recreational cannabis industry is just getting started tho. Might be cool to ride the tide.

Side note, the west side of Michigan's Lower Peninsula, including Grand Rapids, is known as the Bible Belt of the North. Take that for what it is worth. Lots of pollution over there too.

If you can find a job, Traverse City, MI would be a great place to live. I think it's equivalent in Vermont would be Stowe.

I think you’re approaching this the wrong way, these are the values I grew up with and you seem offended by them. I can’t change human behavior and trying to would be met with nothing but hostility and people would just double down on their bad behavior. I personally prefer solitude but I also like helping people and have the skills to do so so why wouldn’t I? It’s not about being savior it’s about living in a society where people don’t have to know each other or even like each other to be kind and help people if they need help. I don’t have to know someone to be willing to help them just like if I see a car broken down in winter.

I don't know that all that many jobs in VT drug test, outside of health care perhaps

So you do care then.....why not just say that?

This savior schtick is kinda old.

Not really because there’s not much I can do about those things. I mostly focus on things I have control over like having a bit of extra supplies and past EMS training so I can help people. Similarly I always used to bring a bag so I can pack out my trash and some collected trash. Of course it would be preferable if everybody was respectful in nature but that’s not going to happen.

I think I get at least some of what the author is getting at, but the phrase you quoted (“a deep and likely unrecognized sense of belonging in those [outdoor] spaces") seems weird to me. There is also the following line: "A belonging felt so deeply that some might experience it as an entitlement, as a sense of ownership."

This is essentially speculation about what other people the author encounters on the trail are thinking. There's no real way of knowing what is in the minds of these other hikers unless they flat out told her.

I've gotten occasional "entitled" vibes from people on the trail, but that's just my view. After these unfriendly people passed me, I didn't stop them to ask "hey, why didn't you say hi? Shy? Anxious? Fearful? Feeling entitled? Self-absorbed a-hole? Think you own the trail? Rich and above poors like me without all the expensive gear?"

And I'm not sure I would ever describe the feelings I have while on the trail as "deep belonging" or "ownership". Far from it. Mostly I feel in awe of the place, thankful that I'm still ambulatory and able to have the experience, keeping an eye on the weather because in a short amount of time the place can become completely inhospitable and deadly. None of us (or perhaps very few) "belong" there, IMO. I'm there not because of some birthright, but just a desire to experience something beautiful. Seeing people of all types on the trail can only add to that.

Can you explain what point are you making?

Edit: downvoted for asking a question. This sub is such a joke.

Where do you currently live (because for some states the improvement in education state-wide is dramatic)?

What are you referencing? At no point in the article does it mention people of color being too poor to buy hiking gear.

Bless your heart

Booo! I am not the color of my skin. With Dr Martin Luther King's birthday tomorrow, so many have learned nothing. We are but the content of our character.

Lol, when is it not? Same with Hannaford. I'm no economist and don't know all of the factors, but at this point it feels like we're just being taken advantage of. Market basket is generally better for us but I saw a really sharp uptick in prices this last week. I saw exactly what op was talking about; the cage free eggs were cheaper.

Edit 1: https://www.natlawreview.com/article/price-fixing-food-industry

I also read recently the majority of stores in the us are owned by only 3 different parent companies.

Edit 2: shaws is owned by Kroger which explains a bunch.

There are Black people sharing their experiences of harassment on hiking trails and while outdoors foraging, birdwatching, etc — what are you basing your guarantee off of? If you’re pulling from the fact that you personally wouldn’t harass someone or think anything of it, that’s great, but it’s just not the reality for a lot of Black hikers

So you don't care about people yelling or playing loud music on trails, standing and blocking the way, throwing their trash in the trail or letting their dogs run around other people?