Recent comments in /f/vermont

ShamanLifestyle OP t1_j4goep6 wrote

See we wanted to move to CO but we're so worried about the hype around Yellowstone. It's like is it volcano is it not a volcano. If it blows do we want to risk being near the blast zone or debris field? Would there be time to evacuate? Just stuff like that, we've also heard it's hard to find places that aren't riddled with meth users.

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headgasketidiot t1_j4gnuv0 wrote

This linked write up is very short, and you either did not read it or are willfully misrepresenting what it said. I am going to paste a section of it (like a third of the article; it really isn't very long) so people can judge your tl;dr for themselves.

>What follows is a composite of multiple conversations over the years. A White hiker asks me,

>“Why don’t more Black people hike?”

>I struggle to determine how to approach this question, where to even begin. Some would find the question intrusive. I don’t. I know that the intent is genuine curiosity. But I’m saddened by the ignorance of it. The answers are complex, but they are easily discoverable.

>I respond by flipping the question.

>Well, hmm. Why do you hike?

>The hiker may answer: “Because I love nature! I love being outside, I love physical exertion. Because I’ve been going since I was a kid. Some friends invited me as an adult. I went on a school, group or church outing. I was an Eagle Scout.”

>These responses highlight a focus on individualism and a deep and likely unrecognized sense of belonging in those spaces. A belonging felt so deeply that some might experience it as an entitlement, as a sense of ownership. Additionally, it is a hallmark of both white cultural conditioning and our nation’s value system to over-emphasize individuality and individual choice, even in the face of ready evidence of how our environments, our families, our communities and our shared history impact our realities.

>In this conversation, some hikers would even stop at, “I love being outside” – had they never thought more deeply to examine exactly how they had developed that love? They had received opportunities over the course of their lives to have varied experiences outside, never being questioned for their interest, rather receiving affirmation that what they had just done was strong, brave, cool.

>At this point in our discussion, a humble and open conversation partner sees the direction I am headed in, and I can share some of the ways that People of Color have been historically excluded from access to outdoor sports and even simply to nature spaces. I do my best to explain some of the history and the national ideologies centuries in the making that shape policies and outcomes. I draw on the scholarship of Carolyn Finney in her seminal book, Black Faces, White Spaces: Reimagining the Relationship of African Americans in the Outdoors.

You can agree or disagree with it in whole or in part until you're blue in the face, but don't just make up a bullshit tl;dr.

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vwboyaf1 t1_j4gnp6b wrote

I would also recommend comparing state benefits for disabled vets. Some places have huge tax breaks and free vehicle registration if you are over 50%. I only get 10% due to insomnia, but I still like the support infrastructure for vets out here in Colorado.

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ais72 t1_j4gmlqa wrote

You SHOULD feel like you belong, but you should reflect on the fact that you are luckily to feel this sense of belonging. If you don’t realize that you have this privilege you may unintentionally be blind to the fact that POC do not feel this same sense of belonging, and you and the organizations you’re part of should make an intentional effort to make others feel included regardless of their race. Not saying you (or others) deliberately exclude POC but there are historical and societal barriers you may be unaware of, and this context necessitates working extra hard to be inclusive.

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here_f1shy_f1shy t1_j4gmdsh wrote

I'd look in the greater Dartmouth ecosystem area. So White River junction, Norwich, etc. There is a VA Hospital, Vet Center etc. Plus the greater Dartmouth area has a lot going on so there is a variety of jobs. I am sure you could find something that fits your particular restrictions. If not working at the VA itself.

Semper Fi killer.

Edit:. The schools are good over there too cause, well, ddaarrttmmoouutthh snoody voice. A lil expensive though.

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ais72 t1_j4glxsx wrote

I quoted this line because I think it captures something most white people often do not question. If you are white, you probably do not ever worry that your race makes you less welcome in outdoor environments and clubs/groups. The author is saying that POC on the other hand do not feel this intrinsic sense of belonging. And it’s not just the literal physical space of a hiking trail — it’s the community / group spaces like the GMC, like a subreddit for hiking and appreciation of the outdoors in Vermont. I can’t imagine something that screams “you don’t belong” more than being told your feelings and perspective are stupid and invalid, which is what a lot of other commenters are saying.

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Unique-Public-8594 t1_j4glv9x wrote

Good on you for thinking about quality of education.

Pivot here:

As far as which state, If it were me, I’d decide this way:

If you want the more liberal choice, love mountains, dislike billboards and traffic, and don’t care about ease of shopping, go with Vermont but if you need medical care it is an advantage to locate near White River Junction / Dartmouth.

If you prefer the warmest of the three, the generally more conservative choice, or will want to be closer to the ocean, go with Virginia. (Although as far as ocean goes, Michigan has Great Lakes, and parts of Vermont might be closer to Hampton NH than the Big Stone Gap / Rte 23 area is to the ocean.)

If you have people in Ohio you will be wanting to visit, go with Michigan.

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bigdishing t1_j4glri0 wrote

At no point does she say she was “shocked” to see a majority of white people hiking. Why deliberately misread the article?

She does say “Throughout the long process of its founding, the U.S. attempted to erase the history of the land it now occupies in order to build upon it a new identity which did not include Black, Indigenous and people of color in its narrative.” And that’s mostly (maybe not entirely) true and valid.

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